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Antony Beevor: 'History has not emphasised enough the suffering of French civilians during the War'

Interview by Deborah Orr

Beevor believes that expectations of history have altered. 'People are fascinated about what it was like to be caught up in these events, with no control over their own fate'

Steve Schofield

Beevor believes that expectations of history have altered. 'People are fascinated about what it was like to be caught up in these events, with no control over their own fate'

Poor Doctor Stagg. How tightly the hand of history, for a short time, clasped his shoulder. In 1944, the Scot was Britain's leading civilian weather expert. Suddenly, he had been made a group captain in the RAF, so that he carried the necessary authority to dole out decisive advice on the timing of the invasion of Normandy.

The weather had to be right, and by Saturday 3 June, Stagg was "all but physically nauseated" at the lack of consensus among meteorological experts reporting to him with data. He decided for himself that the prediction had to be rough seas, high winds, low cloud, and on the advice of Stagg, Dwight D Eisenhower reluctantly ordered a postponement of D-Day.

The next morning, even though the convoys were being called back, in a blow to efficiency and morale, the sky was still clear. Stagg, who could not face the other officers over breakfast, "felt a certain shamefaced relief, when the cloud and rain began to increase from the west" later in the day. By midnight on 4 June, a storm was battering the windows, but Dr Stagg and his colleagues had discerned a possible slow-down in the coming depression.

By the early hours of 5 June, Stagg's forecast of a short break in the deluge had hardened into a firm conviction among the political and military leaders of the largest and most complex invasion the world had ever known: the invasion had to take place immediately, during the promised brief window of calm. And that, of course, is what happened.

It is delightful in its absurdity, this realisation that the plotting of D-Day depended so entirely on the unpredictable weather, just like any other British plan for the outdoors. And it is part of Antony Beevor's genius that he pulls you into his latest book, D-Day: The Battle For Normandy, by focusing on one otherwise ordinary man's moment of destiny. The 62 year-old has come to be celebrated as a military historian who imbues his narratives with a novelistic appeal to the general audience, but without compromising or sentimentalising his material. On the back of that reputation, he has sold four million books.

I first became aware that there was something special about Beevor when my stepson – then 12, and no book-worm – read the newly published hardback slab that was Beevor's 1998 book Stalingrad with voracious, obsessive concentration. He wasn't the only one. Stalingrad has been adorned with endless awards, and has now sold 1.8 million copies. Yet Beevor, puffing amiably on a Gitane in the study of his terraced home in Parson's Green, south-west London, still looks touched and delighted that one young reader was mesmerised.

Beevor himself did not have high hopes for Stalingrad's saleability. He knew that his meticulous trawl of newly released Russian ministry of defence archives had unearthed some "fantastic new material". But the 50th anniversary of the end of the Second World War, in 1995, had been marked with a slew of new histories, and none of them had really sold. It was generally felt in the publishing world that the war, as a commercial proposition, was dead.

"No one had any expectations," says Beevor. "I remember the managing director of Penguin, Helen Fraser, saying at the meeting where they were discussing print runs: 'Well, I think this book can go past 10,000.' And all the marketing people sort of raised their eyes to the ceiling, thinking, 'Oh, my God, she's hasn't got a clue.'" The marketing people can't be blamed too much. At that time it was very good going if a military history book sold 6,000.

As pleased as he is with his astounding success since the publication of Stalingrad, one feels that Beevor would have been happy with the 6,000. He is keen to emphasise that the resurgence of interest in history is widespread and complex, and that his approach has simply chimed with the temper of the times. Beevor puts the phenomenon down to "globalisation, the internet, the end of the Cold War, the changes in society – a much less deferential society – and, of course, the individualism whereby the old collective loyalties of the past withered away."

Beevor believes that people's expectations of history have altered. "We're living in a post-military society, and a health and safety society, and as a result people are fascinated, living in a very secure culture, about what it was like to be caught up in these events, with no control over their own fate whatsoever. Of course, there's a self-questioning: 'What would I have done?' 'Would I have survived physically?' 'Would I have survived morally?' Or whatever it might be."

Whatever the demands of those changed expectations, Beevor writes for himself. He was first gripped by history at the age of nine or 10, and puts his interest down to having a "wonderful" teacher at Winchester. But at the age of 18 he opted to enrol at Sandhurst and join the 11th Hussars instead of joining the ranks of academia.

"When I was a child I had something called Perthes' Disease which meant I was on crutches, so I was bullied at school and all that sort of stuff. It was only after five years in the army, when I was having to do a very boring job in a very boring place, that I thought: 'Why not try writing a novel?' partly out of youthful arrogance and partly because there had been a long line of writers in my mother's family. Like most first novels, it was much more autobiographical that I realised – thank God it was never published – but it served the very useful purpose of unintended self-analysis and that was when I suddenly realised that I'd only joined the Army because of a physical inferiority complex."

However, he had been tutored by the eminent historian John Keegan while at Sandhurst, and was greatly influenced by his teacher's most celebrated book, The Face of Battle. "For the first time military history was looked at through the eyes of the soldiers in the front line rather than this artificial chess board which many retired generals and writers on military history had adopted later, when they were imposing an order on a chaotic situation. John's book was so important. It led the way."

It wasn't until he had written a number of books himself, that Beevor cottoned on to what he really wanted to do with historical narrative. He was researching Paris: After the Liberation, which he wrote with his wife, the historian Artemis Cooper, and was struck by a simple paragraph he found in a French archive.

"It was a report about a German farmer's wife who'd fallen in love with a young French soldier who had been taken prisoner and put to work on the farm. She smuggled herself on to one of the trains bringing prisoners back to Paris after he had been liberated, and was picked up by the French police very soon afterwards, because she was trying so hard to find him. It was almost like a Marguerite Duras novel, and I wanted to know more. Did the young Frenchman love her too? Or not? Had he even given her his real name? Had he been married as well? Had he come home, perhaps, to find that his wife had given birth to a baby by a German soldier?

"So for me it wasn't just a question of the people who were killed in the war, all that suffering, it was the way that lives more generally were turned upside down. The effect was so great. That started pushing me towards the kind of writing whereby one had to integrate history from above with history from below, because it was the only way to communicate the direct consequences of the decisions of the great commanders – Hitler, Stalin, whoever they were – on the very fragile lives of the civilians and soldiers caught up in these terrible events."

This makes Beevor's ideas about history sound a little romantic, even though they are far from it. He portrays war as psychological chaos for everyone, with only the military actually trained to cope with that chaos in any way at all. The moments when all the planning fails to take something small into account really tell in Beevor's narratives, like when nobody foresaw that the parachutists preparing to leap into enemy-occupied Cotentin would be slithering around the planes in their own fear-induced vomit by the time their terrifying moment came. Mainly, however, Beevor simply strives to be accurate in his detail, and true to all the players in the drama, military or civilian. If there is one thing he hates, it's a historian with an agenda.

"The duty of a historian is simply to understand and then convey that understanding, no more than that. There's a tremendous difference, thank God, between the British narrative history tradition, dating all the way back to Gibbon, and the continental one, particularly the Germans. I was bitterly attacked by Joachim Fest [a biographer of Hitler] in Der Speigel over three pages, after Berlin: The Downfall was published there, in an article saying: 'Beevor has no leading thought.'

"I think it's outrageous if a historian has a 'leading thought' because it means they will select their material according to their thesis. One of the dangers in history at the moment, particularly military history, is that people have come from outside – cultural historians, post-modernists and so on – and have tried to move in on military history, imposing ideological or theoretical grids on a subject which they don't entirely understand.

"I'm often reassured in a bizarre – perhaps perverse – way, when I find in the archive stuff that contradicts what my assumptions have been. That's interesting and exciting. One simply doesn't know until one finds the material. I get slightly obsessive about working in archives because you don't know what you're going to find. In fact, you don't know what you're looking for until you find it."

What Beevor found, in researching his latest book, was that history had not put enough emphasis on the huge sacrifices of French civilians during the war. This has got him into a little trouble. Beevor is particularly critical of the bombing of Caen, and when pressed by an interviewer for BBC History Magazine, he said he believed the action was "close to a war crime", only to regret his phrasing when the comment was picked up by a Sunday newspaper.

Beevor maintains that criticism of the attack on Caen is nothing new. William Douglas-Home, the playwright and brother of Alec Douglas-Home, received a court-martial at the time for protesting about the bombings, was cashiered from the Army and served one year's hard labour. A mild duffing-up in a Sunday paper is not much in comparison, and is a tiny illustration of how even 65 years of time and distance does not entirely lift taboos on what can and can't be said about historical events.

"The bombing of Caen has always been known to be a controversial decision," says Beevor. "I was trying to say: 'It was a terrible blunder.' There is a grey area in which blunders are almost criminal because of the lack of imagination. If you want to capture a city on the first day you don't go and smash it to pieces. Particularly because it must have been evident that there weren't any German soldiers left in Caen as they were all sent to their forward defensive positions north of Caen. It basically only hit the civilians, rather than the Germans.

"Perhaps I shouldn't have used the phrase 'war crime' because people automatically get worked up. But the one thing that is terribly important is that history has not emphasised enough the suffering of the French civilians. I was shaken myself to find out the degree of French casualties overall during the whole war, but particularly during the Battle of Normandy, and that has not really entered into the traditional histories of the campaign."

It is certainly true that the French have been marked or tainted by the war, particularly in the popular imagination of the US. In his book, Beevor says that a number of American soldiers, who had never been abroad before, had difficulty in understanding the difference between enemy territory and enemy-occupied territory, and deeply mistrusted the French. Beevor tells of a couple who were shot because they were found with a cache of German weapons in their home. No one had considered the possibility that French citizens might have a non-collaborative interest in acquiring weapons from Germans.

Yet similar problems existed at the top. President Roosevelt's distrust of de Gaulle, whom he saw from the beginning as "a potential dictator", exasperated even Churchill. Roosevelt's insistence that de Gaulle should be told nothing about the D-Day plans prompted him to comment: "... after all it is very difficult to cut the French out of the liberation of France."

But the French have been "cut out" to some extent, all the same. Beevor believes that the poor relationship that developed at that time between France and the US has endured, destructively, to this day. Part of this rupture, he believes, is because of the failure to project the suffering of France in the war into the history books and therefore into the popular imagination.

Beevor, whose Newsweek review of Saving Private Ryan was spiked because it was too critical, has an even-handed view of war in which soldiers – and civilians – cannot be generalised about, according to their nationality or anything else. That's one of the things that he is keen to get across in D-Day. "Monty [Field Marshal Montgomery] was so shocked by the report which basically showed that in any platoon a small group actually did the fighting, a few of them would do everything they could to get out of the fighting, and the rest of them would follow somewhere in between. But this wasn't just true of the British Army, American reports found it, and I found this in the Red Army as well.

"So this notion that soldiers are generally professional killers is simply not true. Some of them probably do get an excitement out of it, but that's certainly not the case for the majority. You've got to understand that an army is a very emotional organisation, it's not a sort of cold machine as many people imply or think. War is one of the most unpredictable states of human activity."

Beevor also believes that the moral simplicity of the Second World War has fostered a notion about who was right and who was wrong that actually hampers a deeper understanding of war's psychological complexity. "Here was a time when the fight was definitely right. The Western allies were wearing the white hats, and the Germans were wearing the black hats." In Beevor's histories, now that enough time has passed, and memory is no longer raw, the intention is to understand that even among the good guys, even among the best guys, there was grey. The untold suffering of the civilians of France, grateful to their liberators, and therefore wary of complaint, is part of the grey. Beevor does France, and history, a service by dragging it into the light.

'D-Day: The Battle for Normandy' by Antony Beevor (Viking). To order a copy at the special price of £22.50, including p&p, call Independent Books Direct on 08700 798 897

D-day: hour by hour

By Tim Walker

[00:15] Paratroopers and gliders drop behind enemy lines The first Allies to land in France were British glider troops, who swiftly captured two bridges, over the Caen Canal and Orne River. Soon, paratroopers were dropping across Normandy.

[02:00] Bombers take off from England US airforce bombers were launched to reinforce the ground troops. Between 02:00 and 05:29, 1,198 aircraft headed for the Normandy coastline; 163 for the city of Caen.

[03:09] German radar detects the Allied invasion fleet With nearly 5,000 landing ships and assault craft, six battleships, four monitors, 23 cruisers, 104 destroyers, 152 escort vessels and 277 minesweepers, the Allied armada was by far the biggest fleet ever put to sea.

[06:30] H-hour on Utah and Omaha beaches At 05:30, Allied ships began to bombard the coastline. An hour later, the first US troops landed at Utah and Omaha beaches. Many tanks sank in the choppy waters offshore, landing craft were blown off course, and bombers failed to destroy the German defences above Omaha; thus the first landing wave was pinned down by heavy fire.

[07:30] H-hour on Sword and Gold beaches British troops landed at Sword and Gold beaches. At 07:45, Canadian troops landed at Juno beach while, at Utah, American forces began to advance inland from the beachhead.

[11:00] American troops capture Vierville At 10:46, Colonel Benjamin B Talley radioed back to the USS Ancon from Omaha that "Things look better". Soon afterwards, his troops secured the nearby village of Vierville-sur-Mer.

[12:00] Churchill addresses the House of Commons As British commandos and Airborne troops were linking up at the Orme River Bridge, the Prime Minister informed the House, "Everything is running according to plan".

[14:00] Hitler responds to the invasion Hitler held his first meeting at Berchtesgaden, his Alpine retreat, to discuss the invasion, demanding it be crushed immediately.

[16:30] German Panzer tanks attack the British at Sword beach The [German] 21st Panzer division finally engaged the Allies near Sword. British troops (many of whom stopped on the sand to brew cups of tea while still under fire) were prevented from reaching Caen.

[19:00] Allied HQ established at Omaha General Huebner, commander of the US 1st Infantry Division, set up a command post at Omaha beach.

[00:00, 7 June] Fighting continues throughout Normandy By the end of D-Day, all five Allied beachheads were secure, with nine Allied divisions ashore.

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Allied bombing's war crimes in WWII
[info]findempire wrote:
Saturday, 6 June 2009 at 06:37 am (UTC)
Popular legend has it that Dresden was the only war crime of Allied bombing, the new method of mass murder of civilians invented by Bomber Harris and turned into a weapon of genocide by General Curtis Le May's US Strategic Air Command.

The US fire-bombed and nuked all of Japan's cities, killing millions of civilians. This had zero effect on Japan's will to fight. Japan surrendered when the Red Army pulverized its Kwantung Army in Manchuria within the space of 2 weeks and preapred to invade the practically defenseless northern Japanese island of Hokkaido. The Japanese war cabinet knew then that the jig was up. The Yanks nuked Japan to send a message to Stalin: Japan is ours, back off.

Eisenhower was mulling the idea of getting rid of France altogether, carving it up into two different countries. The only Frenchmen who resisted the Nazis were the Communists, while the rest of France either collaborated with the Nazis or was itself a fascist state (Vichy), while some whackjob called De Gaulle who thought he was Napoleon went around pretending to represent the "real" France. To hell with them, thought Eisenhower, and bombed French towns & cities like it was going out of style: Saint-Nazaire, Le Havre, Saint-Lo, Caen... 1,570 in all, half a million buildings destroyed, tens of thousands killed, hundreds of thousands wounded. At least if the commies got France, Ike thought, there won't be much left of it. Decades after the war, France was still struggling with a housing crisis, which is why all those ghastly low-rent HLM's sprang up all over the country.
Re: Allied bombing's war crimes in WWII
[info]jaded63 wrote:
Saturday, 6 June 2009 at 07:08 am (UTC)
It wasn't 'invented by Bomber Harris', you ignorant twerp, it was invented by the Germans when their Luftwaffe bombed Guernica. The Luftwaffe subsequently embarked on the wholesale destruction of continental cities in the early stages of WWII, and of course London had to endure the Blitz.

In the early stages of the war, while the Germans were creating mayhem, the RAF's Bomber Command was subject to extraordinary restrictions on what it could do. Many aircrews were lost on futile leaflet-dropping missions over Germany, and many more were lost on no less futile bombing missions that required them to return without dropping their bombs because of the possibility German civilians might be hurt.
Shut up lamer
[info]findempire wrote:
Saturday, 6 June 2009 at 08:01 am (UTC)
For your edification, ignorant git:

Firestorms darken our past


Bomber Command made the most distinctive single British contribution to the Second World War, perhaps even to the history of warfare. For the first time a fleet of aircraft was built for the purpose of bombing another country. From 1942-5, a campaign of 'strategic' - or 'area', or 'terror' - bombing destroyed most of the cities of Germany and killed 600,000 people, most of them women and children.

The RAF was the first independent air force created by any great power, instituted with the purpose of winning wars by aerial bombardment. Bombing gained in prestige when a tribal uprising in Iraq was bombed into submission and when rebellious Arab villages in Palestine were held down by 'air pin'. The officer in command in both cases was Arthur Harris.

This what you war criminal bums did to France:

Re: Shut up lamer
[info]ggarlick46 wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 02:37 am (UTC)
These "criminal bums" what this idiot is refering to also helped to liberate France.In my mind Bomber Harris and all of RAF Bomber Command were all heroes.They helped destroy the nazi regime and lost over 50000 men, and I have no time for morons like you who slander them.
Re: Shut up lamer
[info]findempire wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 07:08 am (UTC)
Well obviously you have plenty of time but very little brains, lamer. When did "liberation" come to mean destroying 1570 French cities and villages, killing tens of thousands of civilians, looting, and raping? Oh sorry, I forget that in your backwoods dialect, murdering millions of Iraqis and Afghans means just that, so since French are just wogs too, it was permissible to "liberate" them in like fashion.
Re: Shut up lamer
[info]ggarlick46 wrote:
Wednesday, 10 June 2009 at 11:51 pm (UTC)
Where is the facts moron.Killing tens of thousands of French civilians,looting,raping?Are you insane or what?Do you think the British and American forces were barbarians?Are you completely clueless on history?Or just making it up as you go along.What a plonker!
Re: Allied bombing's war crimes in WWII
[info]ggarlick46 wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 02:29 am (UTC)
Dresden was not a war crime mate ,it was a legitamite target ,as were all allied bomber offensives in ww2.Its easy to comment in hindsight but if you were in a war for survival against an evil regime like nazi germany and japan then, you do everything and anything to destroy them.
Re: Allied bombing's war crimes in WWII
[info]ggarlick46 wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 03:05 am (UTC)
No ,Japan surrended after the second atomic bomb at nagasaki.They knew then that they had no way of stopping their cities being reduced to rubble.Tokyo might have been next,and the japs would have no idea how many A bombs the Americans had.
Too bad Iraqis didn't have a Picasso...
[info]findempire wrote:
Saturday, 6 June 2009 at 08:13 am (UTC)
...to show the world that it was British ingenuity that invented mass murder from the air, not German:
The British also wanted to reduce the cost of ruling Iraq by relying on air power rather than expensive ground troops. It was a testing ground for the Royal Air Force.

Arthur "Bomber" Harris, who was to lead the bomber offensive against Germany 20 years later, did not conceal the fact that he aimed at civilian targets.

Harris said in 1924 that he had taught Iraqis "that within 45 minutes a full-sized village can be practically wiped out and a third of its inhabitants killed or wounded".

After the revolt of 1920, TE Lawrence - Lawrence of Arabia - wrote to the London Observer to say: "It is odd that we do not use poison gas on these occasions."

I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes

Winston Churchill
Iraq: From Sumer to Sudan, by Geoff Simons
[info]andre_t wrote:
Saturday, 6 June 2009 at 04:30 pm (UTC)
Sure, and now for France to commemorate the suffering of the Algerians, who also fought to rid themselves of conquerors - they fought in two world wars for France and both times with the promise of independence...
Misuse of air power
[info]thorntongate wrote:
Saturday, 6 June 2009 at 04:44 pm (UTC)

The bombing of Caen had the same effect on Allied forces as the bombing of Stalingrad had on the Germans: it made the job of taking the town more difficult.

Whether or not that's a war crime is a moot point, but one thing is certain, the use of air power against German ground forces in Normandy was decisive. Allied tanks were never up to it, as a succession of books on the campaign confirms.
Misuse of air power or misuse of language?
[info]findempire wrote:
Saturday, 6 June 2009 at 06:26 pm (UTC)
"The use of air power against ground forces" = tactical air power. "The use of air power against cities full of women and babies" = strategic bombing = war crime. I see nothing "moot" about it.

The Yanks and Brits made up for their pathetically lame tanks by fielding some almost decent tactical air. P-47 Thunderbolts, useless for most anything else (their guns would jam & control surfaces would fail in a dogfight, they would ice up and their ignition would arc in high-altitude bomber escort), proved just the ticket for dropping out of the sky and blasting away with 8 "fitty cals" and rockets at Panzers. Allied Tacair was what finally got them out of Normandy, not bombing French cities.

Meanwhile - or rather, a year before Normandy - in the real war, i.e. the Eastern Front, the Red Army was hammering away at those Panzers with Sturmoviks from the air and its formidable T-34 Stalin tanks from the ground, grinding down the Reich's best armored divisons at the greatest tank battle in history at Kursk. While Yanks & Brits were mass-murdering the French while failing to disentangle themselves from second- and third-rate left-over German units, the Red Army was winning the war.

So screw your Normandy pageant, you should all thank the Red Army and the Russian people for their great sacrifices in saving you from Nazism and stop trying to rewrite history.
Re: Misuse of air power or misuse of language?
[info]ggarlick46 wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 02:43 am (UTC)
You should thank the Normandy veterans for your freedom of speech,but not for your mangling attempts at writing about history which is dubious at best.
Re: Misuse of air power or misuse of language?
[info]findempire wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 07:02 am (UTC)
Normandy veterans fought to keep French & German economic resources out of Soviet hands, so that the devastated USSR should not have the means to match Yank financial power after the war. If it were "freedom of speech" that they had fought for you wouldn't be so brainwashed today. The narrative of history that is crammed into Western brains in which all good comes from Yanks and capitalism is what makes you lot so ignorant. You don't know that 88% of the Wehrmacht was destroyed by the Red Army. You don't know that Chinese and Soviet forces destroyed many times more Japanese divisions than the Yanks' inept island-hopping : The Soviets alone destroyed 30 divisions in just two weeks.

You are so ignorant that you think there was still something left to bomb in Japan after Nagasaki. All Japanese cities had already been burnt to the ground, the civilians living there melted into black sludge by the firestorms. The Yanks made the Stratofortress bomber expressly for this genocidal purpose. The Yank firebombing was just as terrifying and far more widespread than the two nukes. All that changed when Japan was nuked was that Japanese civilians were murdered wholesale with one bomb instead of thousands. The first firebombing of Tokyo killed more people in one night than the Hiroshima bomb.

Killing millions of civilians has always been the Yank m.o., failing every time to break the will of the enemy. They did it in Japan, to no avail. It was the lightning destruction of the Kwantung army and the preparation to invade Japan by the USSR that did the job. They did it in Korea, to no avail. They did it in Vietnam, with even worse results. They are doing it in Afghanistan and are already wishing that they had never heard of the place.
Re: Misuse of air power or misuse of language?
[info]ggarlick46 wrote:
Wednesday, 10 June 2009 at 11:43 pm (UTC)
Whatever you say the facts remain.The allied bombing campaigns contributed to the downfall of Japan and Germany.The Japanese especially had nothing in their arsenal to counteract American bombing.They knew the Americans could bomb their cities at will,and with the 2 A bombs dropped that was the end of it for them,game over.So all the plans of Russian of invading Japan came to nothing.
War Crimes?
[info]adullamite wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 08:34 am (UTC)
Never fails to amaze me that those who did not live under bombing, or fear of invasion by a power that would have decimated their population now criticise the allies tactics. It also amazes me how they never criticise the German or Japs approach. Japan had been using living men for bayonet practice for several years while raping Chinese women to death and burying others alive. The Nazi ideal was to wipe out Jews and then enslave the Slavs.
However it is better for some to attack the allies rather than consider what they were up against, especially when those who criticise have never been in any danger whatsoever themselves.
Re: War Crimes?
[info]findempire wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 09:27 am (UTC)
I, on the other hand, am no longer surprised by this sort of seat-of-the-pants fact-free idiotic commentary, which has become all too common in our illiterate, TV-addicted, attention-deficient age.

Garbage in, garbage out, smoothly flowing through the empty space between your ears.
Re: War Crimes?
[info]adullamite wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 10:57 am (UTC)
I always say 'Say NO to drugs!' You obviously have failed to heed the warning!
Distorted facts to suit your remnant of failed communist ideology will not change facts.
Your sad need to belittle others indicates a need for healing somewhere.

Have you ever thought of getting a hobby? Stamp collecting maybe, or train watching? Both are very relaxing, indeed educational. Let's face it dear boy, education and relaxation is what you need. Possibly you need to spend sometime cleaning the bedsit, exercise is good for the mind.
Re: War Crimes?
[info]findempire wrote:
Sunday, 7 June 2009 at 03:06 pm (UTC)
You clean the bedsit and collect stamps to "exercise" what you call your "mind," dear girl. I study history. That's why I actually have a mind while you can count your braincells on one hand. That's why I can write a reasoned article with references while all you can only manage is pathetically puerile ad hominem slagging.

You really shouldn't get so worked up, there's no shame in being a lamer. Oh wait, there is.
Re: War Crimes?
[info]ggarlick46 wrote:
Thursday, 11 June 2009 at 12:01 am (UTC)
Then stick some earplugs in then.Or better still put them where the sun doesnt shine mate!

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