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My daughter, Amanda Knox

The stepfather of the American student on trial for Meredith Kercher's murder accuses the Italian police of beating her during questioning

By Peter Popham in Perugia

Amanda Knox arrives in court yesterday. Her stepfather has also been attending

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Amanda Knox arrives in court yesterday. Her stepfather has also been attending

Amanda Knox, the American student on trial in Italy for the murder of her British flatmate Meredith Kercher, was repeatedly beaten during the all-night interrogations that led to her being named as a suspect in the brutal killing, her stepfather has claimed.

In an extended interview with The Independent on Sunday, Chris Mellas, 36, an IT professional, said that Ms Knox's confession that she had been in the flat when Ms Kercher died had been forced out of her. "It was coercion," he said. "They did what they needed to do to get her to say what they wanted her to say." He claimed that one of the policewomen, who allegedly hit her on the head, faces six charges of beating other suspects during interrogation in earlier cases.

Mr Mellas also alleges that the interpreters made available to his stepdaughter were not neutral, but police officers with a little English, who participated actively in the interrogations. The police, he says, admitted that they had no intention of letting her see a lawyer during questioning. "In Italy you have a right to a lawyer as you do in the United States," he said. "But they told her that if she had one it would make it bad for her. Even if she had insisted, they would not have allowed it. One of the police witnesses admitted as much on the stand."

Ms Knox's family and others, including a lawyer, have formed a support group which maintains a constant presence at the twice-weekly hearings and keeps the public at home aware of her situation. Mr Mellas is nearing the end of his latest stint in Perugia, sitting a few rows behind his stepdaughter in court. "The stress on my family is excessive," he said. As we spoke, his phone rang constantly with calls from American TV networks and other journalists. "The trial dominates your life completely. You wake up and it's the first thing on your brain, and it's the last thing when you go to sleep, and frequently it also bothers you while you're sleeping."

Ms Knox and her co-accused, her Italian ex-boyfriend Raffaele Sollecito, have been in jail for more than 16 months now, and their trial is still in the early stages. And although neither has yet been found guilty of anything, Mr Mellas maintains they are treated like criminals. "I look at the overall process and I wonder, where is the presumption of innocence?" he said. "She's in jail because they are afraid of her leaving the country. Well OK, so detain her. But on top of this they apply all the rules of the convicted to her. So when I go in I can't take her a pair of socks. Why not?"

The third suspect in the case, Rudy Guede, a Perugia resident originally from the Ivory Coast, was jailed for 30 years at the end of a "fast-track" trial before Christmas, after the prosecution produced an overwhelming amount of forensic evidence of his presence at the crime scene.

The prosecution maintains that Guede was just one player in the sex orgy that they say culminated in Ms Kercher's death. Yet two months into the new trial, no evidence comparable to that which damned Guede has emerged: no forensic trace at all of Ms Knox at the scene, and of Mr Sollecito only traces of his DNA, hotly disputed, on the clasp of Meredith's bra, found six weeks after the crime.

If all three accused were involved, why such abundant evidence of Guede at the scene and such paltry evidence of Ms Knox and Mr Sollecito? Chris Mellas says the explanation is simple: his stepdaughter had nothing whatever to do with the crime. She spent the night with her boyfriend at his flat.

He says that the reason another version emerged – in Ms Knox's confession, that she had been in the kitchen of her flat when Ms Kercher died, closing her ears to her flatmate's screams – was because she was bullied and beaten until she said what the police wanted to hear. "They screwed with Amanda's head so bad that night she didn't know what was right and wrong," he said. "In a statement she wrote the next day she says, 'I don't know much any more, I'm so confused. But I know that I did not kill Meredith.'"

In the absence of hard evidence, witness after witness has testified to the strangeness of Ms Knox's behaviour after the murder: her apparent lack of emotion, how she did yoga exercises and even turned cartwheels in the police station. How does Mr Mellas account for all that?

"She was trying to be this strong person," he replied, "trying to pick herself up and help the police and get on with life. Unfortunately it didn't work out because it took a toll on her: you suppress your grief and shock long enough and you kind of crumble."

As the marathon trial meanders on, Ms Knox's behaviour has intrigued onlookers. On Valentine's Day she came into court wearing a T-shirt with "All you need is love" in huge letters. In her first "spontaneous declaration" before the court, she explained that the vibrator in her bathroom, spoken of in shocked tones by English friends of Ms Kercher, was a gift. Mr Mellas called the T-shirt "the Valentine's Day debacle", adding: "In reality did it hurt anybody? No. But there is a certain level of decorum for certain situations which is required to be maintained. And she's completely missing the boat on that one. But that's Amanda!" And the vibrator? "It's two inches long," he said. "It's a little toy on a keychain. One of her friends bought it as a gag."

What makes Amanda Knox tick? "I'll give you an example," her stepfather said. "When she was about 14, we were at a soccer tournament and there was this enormous puddle of chocolate-brown muddy water. And her coach looked at Amanda and said, 'I bet you wouldn't jump into that mud puddle. I'd give you five bucks if you did.' And he hadn't even finished the sentence and she went and bellyflopped into it and splashed everybody. These are the things that are just her; she has a unique quality to her."

The essence of his case is that Amanda Knox may be extremely scatty, woefully insensitive even, but no murderer. And so far no one has proved otherwise.

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[info]cintoronto wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 02:04 am (UTC)
There is nothing worse than a wrongful conviction. However, I find Mr. Popham's articles about the Kercher case to be quite one-sided. Why would a family member say anything other than "she's innocent"? Really, something that Knox did when she was 14 has no more or less bearing on the case than the T-shirt she wore on Valentine's Day. No one else has used the word "beaten" to describe what happened to Knox when she was interrogated. Please quote from other sources to give at least the appearance of neutrality.
Amanda & OJ
[info]hjaffe wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 03:09 am (UTC)
Actually Amanda Knox is a Charles Manson girl caught in some inexplicable time-space warp. Her bearing, her peculiar wit, her apparent dedication to Eros with its fashionable SM sidesaddle.

Her aggressive father, on the other hand, seems displaced from the OJ trial fifteen years ago.

Something is in the air.
[info]tdove wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 03:41 am (UTC)
Do to the public nature of this trial the evidence (lack of evidence) has already been made public ad nauseam for the past 16 months and at this stage the only way someone can sit on the scales of justice and find them balanced fairly would be if they slipped and fell on one side of the scale. There are volumes of evidence the weight of a quarry that weigh in favor of the defendants that shows clearer than the light of day that this is a monumentious miscarriage of justice. In the absence of any logical evidence what so ever this trial should never have been started in the first place let alone continue. Those who continute to support it are are wicked.

"If you take the bra fastener out of the equation than there is ZERO evidence placing Raffaele at the scene which means Amanda has an alibi as strong as the Rock of Gibraltar."

NO IF ANDS OR BUTS

I don't care what they watched on TV, what movie they downloaded, whether they had popcorn, what time the went to bed, whether they surfed the net, or painted the house purple. If you take away this one obviously flawed piece of evidence (a fabric bra strap was used as a hockey puck for 6 weeks on floor) you could not try either Raffaele or Amanda and this trial could not, should not, and would not have started or continued.

Some people are trying to find them guilty because they can't remember 100% of every last detail, that is ridiculous because after 500 days there is obviously going to be major gaps in everyone's memory. A human being might only remembers about 5% of the little details after that time. It is not up to Raffaele and Amanda to prove anything it is up the prosecutor to make his case and so far all he has proven is these kids where falling in love and had a romantic evening at home.
she thinks she's a rock star
[info]shazzta wrote:
Monday, 23 March 2009 at 07:25 pm (UTC)
She shows up at her murder trial in a t-shirt that says "all you need is love", mugs and grins for the camera. it's a big joke to her. take a look at any of the many photo's of her arriving at court and what you see is the poster child for the spoiled american brat. she ruined the reputation of a man who trusted her and gave her a job. he lost his business because of the false allegations amanda knox made against him. she lied about him and she lied about being beaten by italian police. she is proven liar and soon will be a convicted cold blood killer. then the camera's will go away and her fan mail will dwindle off and she will be just another criminal. amanda's 15 minutes are almost up. i can hardly wait.
when in rome do as the romans
[info]cydl wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 07:18 am (UTC)
laws are different in italy than u.s. but some things are the same . . . you can not give a pair of socks or anything to a prisoner awaiting trial . . . in italy or in the u.s.
Sloppy thinking & tunnel vision
[info]s1m0nn wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 08:09 am (UTC)
Evidence about the accused's 'odd' behaviour or reaction to news of a death is almost always a sign of sloppy thinking and tunnel vision on the part of the prosecution. People differ. There's a vast array of behaviour that consitutes a 'normal' reaction to death, as anyone who's ever had to deliver bad news to a next of kin could tell you.

Even more worryingly, hindsight shows that this kind of thinking is frequently present in wrongful convictions. In Canada, a key element in the murder trials of Susan Nelles and Guy Paul Morin (both innocent; Morin was convicted & Nelles eventually acquitted after many trials) was the lead investigator's opinion that each of the accused displayed the 'wrong' kind of reaction.
Why Amanda accused an innocent man?
[info]freegib wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 08:18 am (UTC)
Amanda Knox is being sued for nearly half a million pounds by a man (Patrick Lumumba) she wrongly accused of the crime and released by the police without any charges. A life destroyed.


Miss Knox, 21, is also being sued for 20 million pounds by Miss Kercher's family, of Coulsdon, Surrey, who are entitled to seek compensation for the crime under Italy's legal system
Re: Why Amanda accused an innocent man?
[info]happy_expat wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 08:54 am (UTC)
Yes, and when Amanda is found to have had her human rights violated by the Italian judiciary, she also will be entitled to compensation from them. Hopefully, all claims against her will then be treated with the contempt they deserve.
Hmmm?
[info]amanfrommars wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 08:36 am (UTC)
"The essence of his case is that Amanda Knox may be extremely scatty, woefully insensitive even, but no murderer. And so far no one has proved otherwise."

Is that for a plea of insanity?
(no subject) - [info]happy_expat - Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 08:38 am (UTC)
Re: Italian Justice
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 10:22 am (UTC)
So maybe you think American justice, or British justice, is better than Italian justice? I invite you to reflect carefully before replying.
Re: Italian Justice
[info]ebbi581 wrote:
Monday, 23 March 2009 at 03:33 pm (UTC)
maybe you should open your eyes and away from your italian patriotism look at the facts . it is a well known fact that italian police are corrupt and fascist.
Re: Italian Justice
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Monday, 23 March 2009 at 03:34 pm (UTC)
I have lived in Italy for 25 years. So you think the British judicial system is not corrupt and fascist?
Re: Italian Justice
[info]ebbi581 wrote:
Wednesday, 25 March 2009 at 08:48 pm (UTC)
first i did not compare the two systems but you don´t have to travel far back in time to see my point!!!
do you really think the system has changed because fascist system was overthrown? do you really think fascism leaves with the fascist ? no !!
it takes two to tango and italian people must have played a part in that system just like every other country. the police and the judicial system are not exceptions. the problem with people like you is that you take everything personal and even are prepared the black records of a fascist police in italiy in order to buy respect for the same system that is oppressing the people.
Re: Italian Justice
[info]suoita wrote:
Saturday, 28 March 2009 at 11:15 am (UTC)
Do u really believe not only after the 2WW, but even after more than 60 years, and the CW where Italy had the stringest communist party in all West Europe, Italian juridical system can still be affected by fascism? This is funny :) Italian juridical system is definitely slow and it's a pity for the indicteds as well as their families but it's fair and based of western legal values. I do believe the procedure is taking too long but it is not affected by any bias or political influence. Italian prosecutors are excelent and Perugia is a quiet town which neither big social problem nor political or economical lobbies. The trial is definitely fair, no doubt about
Re: Italian Justice
[info]ebbi581 wrote:
Wednesday, 8 April 2009 at 06:27 pm (UTC)
the trial is fair no doubt about it??? how do you know??? how can you be so sure??? maybe inside information or something on the side???
come on my friend , the days of blind support for any system or any government are over and finished. you clearly display the signs of person with severe patriotism complex!!!!!! one that sees no evil in his or her country.whiter than white????
open your eyes and see the sleaze and the corruption of berlusconi, is he in prison ?? where are your excellent prosecutors??? why is he still loose and even became the president again?? a thug and thief has become your president and yet you still support him!!!!
amazing , as long as there are people like you fascism rides on.
Amanda Knox's personality
[info]frigalo wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 08:50 am (UTC)
So why did she go on to blame the bar owner that she worked for briefly? He has been absolved of guilt and is now suing for wrongful arrest thanks to her. She may not have been proved a murderer yet but she certainly seems to be a compulsive liar.
Re: Amanda Knox's personality
[info]martin_heth9 wrote:
Monday, 23 March 2009 at 03:20 pm (UTC)
Knox....."...scrolled down the names and numbers in her phone and when she got to Lumumba she instantly burst into tears and said 'It was him. He is mad.'"
That's very positive identification. On the strength of that I would be rigorously investigating Lumumba and figuring out exactly how he might have placed the blame on others, and whether he bribed &/or forced people into appearing to give him an alibi. If that is Knox's reaction, she is being forced to say other than that which she clearly thinks in court, plus she may be as terrified of the real killer, Lumumba, as everybody else, and remember this could be organised crime, and I've seen organised crime shut the police up. A policeman's death where I live was written through by his colleagues as a heart attack, when he'd actually had his throat torn out by the bare hands of the hitman, who also did the phoning up of the media telling them what to describe the death as. Because I've got experience of that, I go along with Lumumba being the killer, and absolute terror of him explains the rest of the story.
She has stated who the killer is.
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 09:45 am (UTC)
We have heard from her step-father; but where is her natural father ??

If I am not mistaken ; i believe she comes from a family who seek hedonistic pleasure above all else.

If found guilty let her hand from the nearest tree.
Knox
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 10:37 am (UTC)
the reason why her father is trying to manipulate the media, and the reason why we're all talking about this case, is because Knox is in the frame.
dope and unbriddled American overseas students in Europe
[info]cloburdliberal wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 11:30 am (UTC)
strange things happen to otherwise sensibly behaved people when they go on a dope smoking binge. Especially when they come from the relatively puritan environs of middle class US and travel to Meditetanean eurpe where you can drink all night , smoke with nonchalence and otherwise do the naughty growing up stuff that is trick..ier in the US

Over the years I can remember just HOW pissed and out of it some Americans became after a short while out in Madrid.They were always the same types middle class college kids maximising the oppotunity to get high, drunk or preferably laid.

I hold that Sollecito, Guedo and Knox got caught up with an out of hand situation that developed in extraordinary circumstances.
Re: dope and unbriddled American overseas students in Europe
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 11:53 am (UTC)
But someone got murdered, someone's daughter, so whatever the extraordinary circumstances; a young girl is dead; under horrific circumstances; so if Knox is guilty , then she deserves the noose; perhaps she can have another "once in a lifetime extraordinary experience" of dangling from a rope whilst getting her last "high".
Re: dope and unbriddled American overseas students in Europe
[info]cloburdliberal wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 12:25 pm (UTC)
She will not be dangling from any rope , at least not in Italy, if she is found guilty.

The forensics were obviously a mess and the year and a half in prison is a shocker that indicates the slow train of Italian law.

The situation does not look good for Knox , given the actual and circumstantial evidence.

The Italian boy was clearly " onto one" with what he perceived to be a libidinal fast living American gal. He got a bit more than he bargained for. Mind you, he had knife facination himself that will nott play well to the Jury.

On the night the alchemy between them and the dope probably contributed to the crime as it unfolded.
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 11:48 am (UTC)
A clever manipulative woman; if found guilty then she should hang, period.
Durg Baron etc.
[info]mlewinski wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 01:54 pm (UTC)
All this Hang from the Nearest Tree stuff is a bit Audie Murphy isn't it? For heaven's sake, stop it. Get out more, as they say.

I just wanted to add some information:
The bar owner is not Italian. He is also coloured. He has lost his livelihood over this.
The flat was broken into a few nights ago and the mattress and a few other things were stolen. Yes, I kid you not.
Italian trials are not by jury. A group of judges make up their mind on a case, followed by an appeal court if the accused wants to get a first sentence overruled, plus a third court for the definitive judgement.

There is a presumption of innocence, but obviously there is also, in a jury-less context, much more need to "prove" your innocence. You have to present a convincing version of the facts/non-facts.

The evidence is very slight, but sadly if a judge has a "hunch", well, once more, in a jury-less context this can be enough to get you convicted.

I would add one more thing: why is nobody talking much about Guede's conviction and the reasons for it? Surely, as he has been found guilty, he could now turn evidence ???
strange all this...





[info]drug_baron wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 02:05 pm (UTC)
You kill; you die; if found guilty, End of...
eye for an eye?
[info]laconico wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 09:33 pm (UTC)
Quite right mr baron... about 5,000 years ago. Despite the barbaric and backward use of the death penalty in the USA, China, Saudi Arabia and other rogue states, an eye for an eye is not actually contemporary justice in the civilised world. Neither is it a deterrent as the huge murder rates in north america prove quite conclusively.
A Shop Keeper's Testimony
[info]mahb_14_2009 wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 02:38 pm (UTC)
Now, it's more than 30 witnesses against Amanda Knox..Her alibi maintained by her and her legal team is now in a big huge trouble...a shop keeper's testimomy and a receipt.. No doubt, she is a compulsive liar...
Peter Popham, the Knox family's pet journalist
[info]liam_ohuigin wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 04:37 pm (UTC)
This is probably your worst effort yet, Mr Popham. Do you submit this stuff to the Independent straight from Knox Central in Seattle, or do you have any journalistic input whatever? Are you related to the Knox family, or do you want to be? How many times have you been to Seattle to lap this drivel up? Max Clifford has nothing on you.

You describe Guede as a "suspect" - have you forgotten that he was convicted of murder before Christmas and sentenced to 30 years? Or does an Italian conviction mean nothing according to you? In normal circles Guede would be called a criminal, a convict or a murderer - what is your problem with such terms?

You are nothing more than an advocate for Amanda Knox, and I think you are a disgrace to your profession. Anyone wanting balanced coverage of this case would do well to read the Times or Guardian.
incorrect info
[info]dochennessy wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 05:29 pm (UTC)
Mr Popham,

Would it not be professional conduct on your part, to research the info you are given?

What the man Mr Mellas told you, is a lie (more than one lie in fact).

On the subject of socks, and clothing, as a convicted person you are allowed to receive clothing. Why ever in the world would they refuse the unconvicted Knox?

Come on, do us a favour, what are you out to do?

Even mafia heads are allowed their rights and if those rights are not respected, those mafia members (do) take the government to court, take to court and sometimes, they do win.

This information you have provided is deeply shameful because it is, after all, related to a murder case.

When will you provide accurate reports?

I dare not ask 'when will you provide, in addition to accurate reports, some insight too.

I think your standards are very low, simply because you take a person's word for something and you do not check out whether what you were told is true.

Is it laziness or a will to be different?

If you want to be different, just to be different from others for the sake of it, then please at least get your facts right to start with.

Here below are the facts as regards clothing rights in Italian prisons as provided by the US Embassy in Italy.

You ARE permitted to receive CLOTHING, undergarments, shoes and linens, such as bed sheets and towels.

Based on this fact above, Mellas has provided you with information he made up.

The Italian Judicial System
[info]sadieann_123 wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 05:33 pm (UTC)
Amanda Knox has been held in JAIL for 16 months with ABSOLUTELY NO CONCRETE EVIDENCE! The Italian system of law is Napoleon Style. Court on Fridays and Saturdays? The lead procecutor is being investigated and needs to win this case to redeem himself. Italians have a misconception of
Americans. Amanda worked three jobs to save $7,000.00 to go to Italy. How can a straight A student supposedly go murderistic in 6 weeks. The family of Amanda is sincere, close, encouraging, involved with their children. She's not a spoiled American. It is frightening how the Italians have voted her "Woman of the Year?" The plight of Amanda balances with Italian Law. Verse yourselves in the Judicial System compared to the U.S. Please educate yourselves about this case. Americans please become involved supporting Amanda. This is exemplary of what can happen to any American in a foreign country. Misconceptions that Italy has a modern Judicial System needs to be re-evaluated. Just because Italy isn't a Third World country doesn't mean she will have a fair trial. I will continue my support for Amanda and her family. Peter Van Sant, News Correspondent, has truly brought this case to the forefront with concrete evidence and continued attention and coverage. Amanda, please know that in Seattle we are supporting you and know you are innocent.
Re: The Italian Judicial System
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 06:00 pm (UTC)
You seem convinced that the Italian legal system is inferior to the American legal system. Why am I thinking "Guantanamo" ?
Re: The Italian Judicial System
[info]conform_not wrote:
Sunday, 17 May 2009 at 08:37 am (UTC)
I have the solution.

If you don't like the judicial system of any one country, don't commit any crime there.

If you rather the US or the UK equally as corrupt and proven unfair systems, stay there, PLEASE.
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 05:56 pm (UTC)
Someone's beloved child has been murdered; if Knox is responsible for the murder and found guilty ; then she should hang; if she is innocent then of course she should be free to go. End of comment.
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 05:59 pm (UTC)
If Knox is indeed the murderer; and she is freed on some legal technicality; she will only return to Seatle and murder someone else's innocent daughter in the future.

Once a killer ; always a killer................but let her prove her innocence first; if she can't , then the nearest tree will suffice.
[info]sadieann_123 wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 06:19 pm (UTC)
These comments are appalling. These responses sound like their coming from very closed minded people that have a lot of evil thoughts themselves. Return to Seattle and murder again, hang from a tree? This is also, someone's daughter another human being.
you are a sadist
[info]laconico wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 09:38 pm (UTC)
once a killer, always a killer is bollox. Nobody is inherently evil.
Please use your brain before writing
Peter Popham
[info]sadieann_123 wrote:
Sunday, 22 March 2009 at 06:08 pm (UTC)
Thank you for an unbiased article in Independent minds. Please continue to report both sides of this case. The insight and vigilance of Amanda's family was insightful. Your article by no means, demeans this terrible case. As a journalist one needs to have an unbiased mind and explore all thoughts. That is freedom of thought. Let readers engage their minds.
oh please
[info]godot769 wrote:
Monday, 23 March 2009 at 10:21 am (UTC)
Ever watch the interviews of the family, friends and neighbors of the worst of the worst among us...... invariably the piece of human refuse is referred as friendly, nice, neighborly, always waved while walkin fido, lived in a nice hose in my nice neigborhood, the murderous bastered normal sound like saints til the dna nails em and a jury throws em in the garbage where they belong!!!!!!!!!



Re: oh please
[info]sadieann_123 wrote:
Monday, 23 March 2009 at 05:03 pm (UTC)
Yes, indeed I have watched all the intervews, read all articles written, studied the Top investigator's thorough investigation. I do not form an opinion or speak out unless I am well informed and educated. Why is the family and neighbors the worst among us? Human refuse? The family of Amanda, has a constant vigilence of support during the trial. They do so, by having fund raisers for her defense. Amanda, smiles to see support and love from her family. Remember, she's in Italy and her family is in Seattle, Washington in the U.s. Please don't insult the family, neighbors! Actually, the family is nice, normal, and live in a very close community. That's demonstrative of her background. That is not the worse among us. The comments you posted are illiterately written, rude and increduously evil. Personally, what kind of background, family, and neighbors do you have to speak so ignorantly, rude, and insulting? Actually, your words are evil. Where's the DNA? Remember, to educate yourself before sounding so ignorant, insulting and evil . Comments should not be abusive and yours should be removed. What kind of engaging thoughts do you have to contribute?
Sack Popham
[info]sabbai wrote:
Monday, 23 March 2009 at 09:07 pm (UTC)
Dear Independent Editors,

If you cannot commission and offer impartial, balanced reporting on this topic, please do not post anything at all. Popham's stories on this case are a JOKE.
Re: Sack Popham
[info]sadieann_123 wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 05:07 am (UTC)
How is this impartial balanced reporting on this topic? It is the first article in European journalisnm that wrote an article from an American/European unbiased point of view. Perhaps, it will conjure both countries to reflect without internal subconscience. Mr. Popham's stories are a joke? Why, because he put a face and character behind an accused not convicted murderer. I would think you would want to see how a potential "Italian Hated Woman," is actually portrayed by her family.




T
Re: Sack Popham
[info]liam_ohuigin wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 02:51 pm (UTC)
"How is this impartial balanced reporting on this topic?"
If it were we wouldn't be complaining.

"It is the first article in European journalism that wrote an article from an American/European unbiased point of view."
This is an enormous claim. If true, I'm surprised you would have trawled through years and years of
biased articles before alighting on Popham's supposed gem.

"Perhaps, it will conjure both countries to reflect without internal subconscience."
I don't understand what you're trying to say here - I think Wittgenstein would also have had difficulty.

"I would think you would want to see how a potential "Italian Hated Woman," is actually portrayed by her family."
Wittgenstein required again.
"Mr. Popham's stories are a joke? Why, because he put a face and character behind an accused not convicted murderer."
No, they're a joke because they're based on his highly speculative belief that Knox is an innocent victim of the Italian legal system, and his articles on the subject read as if they're penned by family members. Indeed when he 'interviews' members of the Knox family it seems as if what they say goes down verbatim: he seems to have no interest in independently checking any of the allegations they make.

Re: Sack Popham
[info]sadieann_123 wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 08:58 pm (UTC)
Believe this is impartial balanced reporting because it invoked readers to discuss both sides. By doing so, you will have readers responding with opinions. I didn't proclaim this was literally the only unbiased American/European article and have had trawled through years and years of articles. It was in reference to this article only. "Internal Subconscience?" Clarification. Another precluded assessment- Wittgenstein would also, have difficulty understanding and yourself. Wittgenstein played a central role analytically in the 20TH century. He believed that philosophical problems arise from misunderstandings of the logic of language which is applicable to your comment. He believe consciousness for example, should be responded to by looking at the variouses we make about the word. Note: I said without internal subconscience. He believed the meaning of the word is a matter of what we do with our language, not hidden in someone's mind, the meaning is some object that it names in which case the meaning of a word could be destroyed and in which case eaach user could mean something different by it having a diffferent feeling and communication would be difficult if not impossible. Wittgenstein emphasized understanding others required empathy which requires the kind of similarity that we just don't have as human beings. Meanings are given by surroundings thus, the parallel American/Italians. Any internal interpretation needs interpretaion. The meaning of my thought is only in the application that a living being makes of it. Wittgenstein would be very interested in this case and my comments. I think he would understand. Hopefully, further clarification for you. Joke, because it's based highly speculatively? I believe he uses his sources verbatim. Otherwise, he's liable as a reporter.
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 05:32 pm (UTC)
Amanda Knox loved experiencing "highs" in life ; regardless of the consequences to others; there are many dark chapters written about her past life; all available on the internet; I will give her the benefit of the doubt and not quote from them.

However if she is found guilty then she should experience a "once in a lifetime " almighty high ; the experience of the noose or a chemical "injection".
You have to be joking
[info]fenellafandango wrote:
Sunday, 26 April 2009 at 10:42 pm (UTC)
Amanda had not yet been interrogated by police when she accused Patrick Lumumba (falsely, as it turned out) of Meredith's murder, stating that she had been in her room next door with her hands over her ears. She later changed her story during subsequent police interviews to state that she had been at Sollecito's apartment overnight, waking at 1000 on the morning after the murder.

A till receipt and a witness statement places her at a local mini-mart purchasing cleaning chemicals at 0745 that morning.

Hard to see why the police would beat her into saying that she was further away from the murder scene than she had previously stated. Hard also to understand why Sollecito has made no similar claims, or why her lawyers have not repeated these allegations or tried to progress complaints against the police.

Looks like Amanda be a pathological liar from a family with similar tendencies.

AMANDA KNOX
[info]citylife9 wrote:
Monday, 27 April 2009 at 10:59 pm (UTC)
A MESSAGE TO YOUNG PEOPLE CONTENPLATING TRAVEL TO FORIEGN COUNTRIES S T A Y H O M E.
Amanda and Rafaelle
[info]veronica_urano wrote:
Friday, 29 May 2009 at 02:10 pm (UTC)
Both of them have changed their version of what happened that night hundreds of times, also for a long time they said they couldn't remember well, they didn't know where they were or what they did that nignt!!! Interesting, that's the case with people who have committed very serious crimes quite often.
Amanda's behaviour is incredible, who would smile and joke during the trial if charged with a horrible murder?? Even in the case this person is innocent, the normal reaction is to take it very seriously and be worried about it. At the least her dignity is at stake. But... she looks quite ok, even enjoying the situation sometimes.
Then, the forensic scientist who is in charge of this case is one of the best experts in the world, Dr. Stefanoni, she was in the team sent to Thailand to identify the corpses after the Tsunami. She and her team have identified at least 460 biological traces at the scene belonging to Amanda, Rafaelle and Guede. Amanda's and Kertcher's DNA were found on a kitchen knife that was at Rafealle's home, this is just one of them.
Also, the people who killed the poor Meredith faked a break in the house, since there were clothes and things spread all over the room (to fake a theft) but the small pieces of glass from the broken window were on top of the clothes and the laptop and not under.... and so on.
For me, they are guilty and I'm almost 100% sure they'll go to jail. Only that they won't be there as long as they really deserve it.

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