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Polish politician fumes over 'gay' elephant

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A Polish politician has criticised his local zoo for acquiring a "gay" elephant named Ninio who prefers male companions and will probably not procreate, local media reported today.

"We didn't pay 37 million zlotys ($11 million) for the largest elephant house in Europe to have a gay elephant live there," Michal Grzes, a conservative councillor in the city of Poznan in western Poland, was quoted as saying.

"We were supposed to have a herd, but as Ninio prefers male friends over females how will he produce offspring?" said Grzes, who is from the right-wing opposition Law and Justice party.

The head of the Poznan zoo said 10-year-old Ninio may be too young to decide whether he prefers males or females as elephants only reach sexual maturity at 14.

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This story should be put on hold for 4 years
[info]corporeal4now wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 11:31 am (UTC)

See zoo heads comments.
Oh, the comedy potential......
[info]theelectrician wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 11:42 am (UTC)
Is he hung like an elephant?
Embarassing
[info]balbkubrox wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 12:38 pm (UTC)
Readers should bear in mind that Poland is a country which is currently saddled with a political class of quite exceptionally low quality: a result of the loss of about 400,000 of its brightest and best-educated young people to emigration in the 1970s and 80s. Things may be getting a bit better now, as the twenty- and thirtysomethings who never knew Communism start to enter politics: particularly those who've spent a few years working in western Europe. But for the time being we will just have to put up with cringe-making pronouncements such as this one (...and if you think this was crass, you should have seen some of the ones which never made it into the English language!).

Come to think of it, this might throw a new light on the Julian Tuwim's delightful poem "Mr. Trabalski the Absent-Minded Elephant", which all Polish children used to know by heart. Perhaps Trabalski's mind was just on other things. Like his forthcoming prosecution for cottaging.

As a general point, walking the path less travelled does seem to be more common than you'd think in the rest of the animal kingdom. I well remember when I worked in the Ministry of Agriculture many years ago that we had one farmer very irate because the stud bull which he'd just shelled out a large sum of money to acquire just wasn't interested in girls (this was in the days before AI). As I left the farm the bull was standing with his front legs propped on two upturned buckets while they backed a cow towards him. But even that didn't work it seems, so the poor animal had to be turned into Bovril.
Re: Embarassing
[info]janebolacha wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 09:35 pm (UTC)
Poland, like most of Eastern Europe, is saddled with an extremely conservative Catholic Church, that's the main problem. I doubt whether it's anything to do with the emigration of the brightest.
Re: Embarassing
[info]squealer666 wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 10:03 pm (UTC)
"Poland, like most of Eastern Europe, is saddled with an extremely conservative Catholic Church, that's the main problem."

there is only Poland which has got a problem with catholic bigotry in central and eastern Europe.
Czechs are atheists, Slovakians are moderate. Any other countries in eastern europe are orthodox religion countries.
Re: Embarassing
[info]janebolacha wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 10:36 pm (UTC)
No, most countries in East Europe are Catholic, practising or not, you have it wrong. Hungary, Croatia, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Poland, others. Actually, few are Orthodox unless you go really into the shadow of Russia, I include Serbia in that. As for being heavily influenced by Catholic bigotry, the Balkan States, for example, are perhaps examples even more obvious than Poland itself, if their attitudes towards gay people are illustrative. Mind you, to get hung up on the sexuality of an elephant...........
Re: Embarassing
[info]squealer666 wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 11:00 pm (UTC)
Hungary, Croatia, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania? May be catholic but I never heard about catholic bigots and clergy having 'the last word' in those countries or embarassing them internationally . Unfortunately it has been happening in mine which was one of the main reasons i'm here not in Poland...
Can agree with Balkan states, however religion is one of the many issues dividing these nations and causing problems in this part of the world.
Re: Embarassing
[info]janebolacha wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 11:32 pm (UTC)
Sorry, that was a typo, I'd meant to write the "Baltic states". Examples there, well the discrimination and aggression towards gay people, this being obviously fomented by the Catholic Church in those countries. But as for the Balkans, yes religions do have so much blood on their hands there, as well.
Re: Embarassing
[info]janebolacha wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 10:39 pm (UTC)
Mind you, you get similar stupidity in Western Europe, too.
Noddy was said to be gay! The purple teletubby as well!
Do these people have nothing else in their pathetic little lives?
Re: Embarassing
[info]astrocho wrote:
Saturday, 11 April 2009 at 08:49 am (UTC)
why you think there is something wrong with us in Eastern Europe? maybe you think in wrong way?...the true is relative
Re: Embarassing
[info]janebolacha wrote:
Saturday, 11 April 2009 at 09:04 am (UTC)
I don't think I said there was anything wrong with people in Eastern Europe. It's that politician and people like him and the Catholic Church that we're talking about, not about the people of Eastern Europe. Now, thinking "the wrong way", what a field of discussion that could open up, we could get on to Koestler and Kafka and others. Now I think about it, they were from Eastern Europe, maybe after all there is something deep-seated there in that part of the world about how people "ought" to think?
Re: Embarassing
[info]astrocho wrote:
Saturday, 11 April 2009 at 09:20 am (UTC)
But please remind me the topic of this article because I'm starting to think it is forbiden for catholic to say word "gay". The meaning of this article is so obvious. It's obvious that if you want to have more elephants in zoo it's better to have no gay elephants there. I don't see any stupid thing in this article, but I see that it's not the most important for everyone here...important is that conservative guy say word "gay".
Re: Embarassing
[info]janebolacha wrote:
Saturday, 11 April 2009 at 09:41 am (UTC)
Well, usually these discussions don't stay entirely focused, that's one of the wonderful things about them. Yes, of course if you want elephants to be wholesomely (and Catholicly, dare I say that?) copulating and procreating, then you wouldn't want one that was gay, if he does actually turn out to be gay. On the other hand, the gay elephant may turn into a tremendous tourist draw. The "authorities" may of course be concerned that Babar or whatever he's called may try to "turn" straight elephants which would be terrible. Oh dear, what a lovely topic.
Re: Embarassing
[info]notravic wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 02:27 pm (UTC)
Janebolacha - no one is hung up on the sexuality of an elephant............ The article is really biased. The guy had concerns over the elephant not being able to produce offsrping - which he was bought for for huge money. He's even happy that the gay elephant is producing good PR for the zoo and was joking with a polish press that maybe the next move should be buying a lesbian elephant.
So if you want to be hung up on Polish catholic bigotry you have to find better topic because this one makes no sense

Re: Embarassing
[info]janebolacha wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 06:40 pm (UTC)
Well, it doesn't need me to do that for Polish people, if they tune in to Radio Maryja it's all there, Catholic bigotry live!
Re: Embarassing
[info]maladjec wrote:
Wednesday, 15 April 2009 at 01:34 pm (UTC)
Poland is in Central Europe.
HOHO
[info]nicholson007 wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 01:00 pm (UTC)
finally - ......
what an embarassment... :(
[info]squealer666 wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 05:11 pm (UTC)
can you see now why so many of us don't want to go back to poland?
Hilarious
[info]chiennoir wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 07:56 pm (UTC)
Maybe this is is the Polish equivalent of the American fundamentalists protesting against the Telly Tubbies! This elephant is surely destined for Elephant-Hell!
Re: Hilarious
[info]squealer666 wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 09:52 pm (UTC)
it's even worse, chiennoir because Poland also took part in TellyTubies row, when the former Child Rights Comissioner officially accused TinkyWinky of being gay and demanded to scrap the show off tv programme...
Dumbo
[info]janebolacha wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 09:31 pm (UTC)
Who's the real Dumbo?
So was it the elephants choice?
[info]fateefa wrote:
Friday, 10 April 2009 at 11:26 pm (UTC)
I would think it would help to prove the point it's something you're born with not a choice.But you can't prove anything to closed mind.
GOOD FOR HIM, AND BLESS THE ELEPHANT
[info]brazil2009 wrote:
Saturday, 11 April 2009 at 12:17 am (UTC)
HUMM, ELEPHANTS ARE INTELIGENT ANIMALS. WHAT DOES THIS SILLY MAN WANT?
AN ELEPHANT THAT GOES SLAM-BANG-THANK-YOU-MA'AM:
GIVE THE JUVENILE SOME CREDIT AND TIME FOR GOD'S SAKE. NO, HE'D RATHER COMPLAIN ABOUT THE NON-EXISTENT ANIMAL'S SEXUAL PERFORMANCE. WHY HAVE THEY BOUGHT A JUVENILE IN THE FIRST PLACE , THAT IS, IF THEY ARE THIS IMPATIENT ? MY HUMBLE GUESS IS THAT THE PROBLEM IS NOT WITH THE ELEPHANT. NOTING THAT THE POLITICIAN IS A RIGHT-WINGER,PERHAPS IN A FEW YEARS TIME WE HEAR AGAIN OF SUCH POLITICIAN EMBROILED WITH SOME NAUGHTY BUSINESS. GOOD FOR HIM AND GAY OR NOT, BLESS THE ELEPHANT.
Maybe It's Just A Phase
[info]willysnout wrote:
Saturday, 11 April 2009 at 12:49 am (UTC)
Tell me, does this elephant by chance enjoy Broadway musicals?
Gay elephant-artificial inseminiation
[info]2sick2care wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 09:36 am (UTC)
Plenty of animals will not breed in captivity, I presume the elephant has been acquired to add to the gene pool of the herd at that 'local zoo'. If he doesn't mate naturally it's no big deal these days, artificial insemination has been used since the 70's to breed animals in captivity, or even to improve domestic herds, ie-cows. The sperm can even be frozen and sent and used anywhere. This is the 21st century after all. Politicians should stick to politics, or even better just never talk.
Polish jokes
[info]hjaffe wrote:
Thursday, 16 April 2009 at 06:19 pm (UTC)
Please, no Polish jokes. Objecting to a gay elephant in a local zoo may be old school but it is eminently sensible. Ours is a global zoo--er, community--and any immorality no matter how negligible-seeming is likely to be contagious.
Anopther Conservative Pole makes a coimplete tool out of himself.
[info]steerpike66 wrote:
Saturday, 4 July 2009 at 09:41 am (UTC)
Are Conservative Poles some sort of performance art troupe? Are they an obscure clowning act?

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