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The Big Question: Does the rise of Tzipi Livni make peace in the Middle East possible?

By Donald Macintyre in Jerusalem
Friday, 19 September 2008

Why are we asking this now?

Because Tzipi Livni has just won the contest to lead the currently ruling party Kadima in sucession to the outgoing Ehud Olmert. It doesn't mean that she will automatically become Prime Minister. But she has a real opportunity to form a coalition in the coming weeks. And even if she fails, the polls suggest she is still the politician in Israel with the best chance of winning a general election against Kadima's strongest opponent, Benjamin Netanyahu's Likud.

So is that good for peace hopes?

At the minimum, the record suggests that Livni, as foreign minister, has been more interested in diplomacy and serious negotiations with the moderate West Bank-based Palestinian leadership under Mahmoud Abbas than the Kadima runner-up Shaul Mofaz, who as a hawkish former Army Chief of Staff and Defence Minister is rooted in the security establishment.

Livni has actually been taking part in talks started by Olmert and aimed at some sort of agreement on the outlines of a future "final status" two-state solution to the conflict with the Palestinians; Mofaz indicated during the campaign this was not the time to be talking about final status. And if anything that is even truer for Netanyahu.

Although Livni comes from the hard right – her parents were prominent in the right-wing Irgun Jewish underground organisation – she does seem, like Olmert, to have come to the conclusion that dividing land with the Palestinians is the only option for guaranteeing the long-term future of the Jewish state. And because she is – so far – popular, in contrast to Mr Olmert, whose standing was badly damaged both by the Lebanon war and the financial allegations against him, she might be able to deliver things he couldn't.

So we should expect a dramatic breakthrough?

If only it were that simple. First the nature of Israel's political system means she will find, as Olmert did, that it's difficult to form a stable government without at least one party, like the Sephardic ultra-orthodox Shas, which is basically opposed to the kind of deal that Mr Abbas could sell to his own people.

Shas's opposition is one of the reasons that the talks that Livni and Olmert are embroiled in haven't even got serious yet about the key issue of Jerusalem, which the Palestinians want as a shared capital. True, she could dispense with Shas – and she certainly dislikes their constant demands for increased family allowances – and instead opt for the left wing Meretz. But Meretz has only half as many members as Shas's 12 which would mean her relying on the acquiescence of some Arab Knesset members. That probably isn't the mix she would like to make her essentially centrist pitch at a general election, whenever it comes.

Isn't that a crucial point?

Not quite. You have to assume that if there was a deal of any kind, the Prime Minister making it would have to take it the country. So in theory, if Olmert – who is likely to stay in post as an interim PM until a new one is actually sworn in, either after forming a coalition or winning an election – made one which Livni signed up to, or if Livni as PM made one herself, that could be the centerpiece of the next Israeli election. And of course we aren't exactly talking yet about a Camp David-type deal (had it succeeded) which could usher in a Palestinian state the next day.

If, say, an agreement were to be struck before Olmert, George Bush, and perhaps even Abbas were to leave the stage in January 2009, then the maximum it would probably do would be to agree some principles on borders and refugees, and create some "mechanism", probably underwritten by Arab states, for taking the negotiations onto to the next stage.

Isn't this a bit academic as long as Hamas is running Gaza?

Livni certainly isn't going to start talking to Hamas as long as it refuses to recognise Israel. On this she is a hawk. Israel's talks with its Fatah rivals were kick-started at Annapolis, the international summit convened by the US late last year. And the theory behind Annapolis, such as it was, was to negotiate a two state "proposition" with Abbas which would be attractive enough to the Palestinian people for him to put it to a referendum or an election, so bypassing Hamas's opposition. That still seems to be a long way off and it's notable that Livni has cautioned against expecting too much, too soon, from the talks with Abbas's team.

Where does Livni stand on the rest of the region?

On Iran, she has refused to take any options, including the military one, off the table – but she also hasn't gone in for the kind of bellicose rhetoric ramped up before the leadership campaign by Mofaz. She has actually taken a tough line on Syria, criticising Olmert for opening talks with Damascus before it has taken tangible steps to stop its "support for terror".

On the other hand, it's worth recalling that at the time of the Lebanon war she argued before any of her colleagues – though not to the point of threatening resignation – that an urgent diplomatic solution was needed. And she showed some healthy scepticism, in internal discussions, about the claims being made for a military one.

Finally, Livni was notably negative in an interview last week about the case for a military invasion of Gaza .There is some evidence, at least, that she isn't about to make the same mistake as Olmert did in Lebanon – over-compensating for his lack of military experience by being more of a warrior than the warriors.

So has she got what it takes to make big bold steps for peace?

That really is the Big Question. What we don't know about Livni is how much of a risk-taker she is. Some people believe, for example, that to implement the kind of withdrawals of West Bank settlements that would be needed to make a reality out of any peace agreement, you would need someone of the authority and mettle of Yitzhak Rabin, or – if he had had both the time and the inclination – Ariel Sharon. Particularly given the political constraints we have already talked about.

When Livni called on Olmert to resign in the wake of the Winograd inquiry into the Lebanon war, she then failed to press her demand home by walking out of the government herself. On the other hand, this week's result – narrow as it was – indicates that she didn't do herself any harm. At least the difficult period ahead should tell us rather more about Livni's character than we know so far.

So can Livni bring peace?

Yes...

* A self-confident woman, she is not scared of preferring diplomacy to militarism

* Though a Zionist she believes a peace agreement with the Palestinians is essential

* Most Israelis want the conflict to end. Livni's popularity will help her to sell peace

No...

* Israel's multi-party system and the disportionate power of the right will stop her

* Only a powerful general on the Sharon-Rabin model could beat settler opposition

* It will be easier to keep people quiet with a drawn-out process than by concluding a deal

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Seriously Mr Bird, you are losing it. You decry the Arabs a right of co-existence and demand the right to a state based upon religious affiliation alone; this is the nub of it, an elitist religious state for those that consider themselves to be above all others. Mr Bird you are a racist, but more than that you are a racist who bends the truth to justify a national level of racial cleansing, based not on nationality, as you claim (and I agree) that the Jews are not a race, but on the spuriousness of religious belief. You have achieved a level of hypocrisy throughout your posts that is off the scale, the transparency and mendacity of which are extraordinary, yet I am sure that you aspire to believe every word that you write, in spite of the historically appalling human rights record of Israel.
I will leave the criminal attack on the USS Liberty alone in this instance, because it really is the gorilla in the corner, no more Mr Bird, as the gig is up.

Posted by Graham | 22.09.08, 04:05 GMT

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Abe you are deluded! Israeli's deny the palestinians their basic rights on a daily routine basis!! They occupy stolen land...STOLEN LAND!!! and you foolishly ask whats wrong with that?!
"Can't you try to check and think for a moment?" your comments to Peter
You have illegal settlements and lots of them still yet to be completed, you still take more and more land,stealing olive farms and then erecting 12m walls "to stop the rocket fire"
I recommend that you research properly these ignored UN resolutions that you call weird, conflicts come and go but the palestinians face an oppression on their own land. Given the history of 'suffering' the Jews have history endured, if they were treated the way they treat the palestinians there would be international outrage yet all the palestinians get are a few words of comdemnation and wake up calls from an F16 everyday.

Israel is an aparteid state, a genocidical nation..Has Livni the potential to bring peace or merely a pawn in the agenda

Posted by Lean | 22.09.08, 03:20 GMT

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With respect Mr Bird, you are delusional and are selling low end propaganda and bending the truth so badly, that perhaps you are a gatekeeper for all things Zionist, a true sayanim.
Ms. Livni is another story altogether: Born in Tel Aviv in July 1958, "Tzipi" is the daughter of Eitan Livni (a.k.a. Yerucham Bzozowitch from Grodno) a Polish-born Irgun terrorist associated with the King David Hotel bombing.
The fruit does not fall far from the tree, and her background does not bode well for the Palestinians.
Her excuses for the Qana UN camp massacre in 1996 reveal her
true colours and background, she is not to be trusted or believed, and neither Mr Bird are you.

Posted by Graham | 22.09.08, 02:58 GMT

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Out goes Bungle and in comes Zippy.

That has to be an improvement.

Posted by Michael Petek | 20.09.08, 16:35 GMT

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Peter: You may assume what ever you want but you for God sake have to rely in facts for the begining!
Can't you try to check and think for a moment? If you have "facts" others than mine please bring them here and stop yelling and groaning.

Posted by Abe Bird | 20.09.08, 10:56 GMT

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I can only assume that Abe Bird is American from his almost total disregard for the history and geography of Palestine.

Posted by Peter | 19.09.08, 22:58 GMT

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Phil Ishmael: What's wrong with Tzipi Livni say?
Killing in battle is not a murder as in Muslim terror attacks. Of corse the Jews killed Arabs in wars. What do you expect them to do other than killing their enemies in battle? I wonder why you fail to mention all the Arabs terror attacks on Jews began in the 20th - riots and dead in 1920; rapes and murders in 1929 in Hebron, Jerusalem, Tzfat, Haifa and more. Hijacking and murder Jews on their daily move; 1936-1939 riots, as many as 500 Jews were killed throughout the country and the Brits stood aside; and ofcourse the heavy attacks of Arabs on Jews through all the 40th.

Posted by Abe Bird | 19.09.08, 20:52 GMT

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Lean: (3) Arabs have human rights in Israel but they can't demand the land for their new national birth aspirations at the cost of depriving the natural rights of the Jews. Arabs have already 21 states, hundreds of times bigger then Britain. Why can't the Jews have their own state on their own soil as small as a large Britain's county?

Posted by Abe Bird | 19.09.08, 20:36 GMT

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Here are Livni’s recent remarks on Israeli Arabs as reported by the Isreali newspaper Haaretz 19.11.2007…
Arab MKs hit back Sunday after Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said that that the future Palestinian state would provide a solution to Palestinians worldwide - including Israeli Arabs - in their struggle for national expression.

"It must be clear to everyone that the State of Israel is a national homeland for the Jewish people," Livni said, adding that the national demands of Israeli Arabs should end the moment a Palestinian state is established.

I do not condemn Livni because she is an Israeli, after all so are Illan Pappe and Mordechai Vanunu, but because she is a Zionist and Zionism is a racist ideology.

And as for Mr Bird who asserts that no massacre took place at Deir Yassin… you are of your father the devil.

Posted by Phil Ishmael | 19.09.08, 20:35 GMT

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Lean: (2) Israel sits on Israel land more tightly and closes then the Brits sit on British land. There were always Jews living in Palestine even under the short Arab conquest. Even the crusaders who slaughtered Jews and Muslims didn't succeed to annihilate them all. Most of now days Arabs in Palestine came after the Zionists began their settlements in the land in the end of the 19th century. The Arabs/Muslims came from Croatia, Bosnia, Sudan, Morocco, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and even India and more, some as refugees and some looking for jobs and food. Arabs haven't any former historical relations with Palestine, nor did they have some Arab Palestinian people. Just imagine that now days Muslims sitting in Britain will soon demand a portion of land for their own "national inspiration" they want to develop. How the Brits will react?

Posted by Abe Bird | 19.09.08, 20:34 GMT

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