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Andrew Grice: Labour MPs think Cameron can be beaten. That's why they are in revolt

The Week in Politics

Saturday, 2 August 2008

It was fitting that David Miliband uttered his coded criticism of Gordon Brown through the veil of an attack on the Conservative Party, a tacit admission that the man making the running in British politics is David Cameron.

The Tory leader's success is one of the main drivers of the growing rebellion against Mr Brown inside his own party. His critics, some cabinet ministers included, buy Mr Brown's critique that the Tory leader lacks substance, and wills the same progressive ends as Labour without providing the means. But the moves to oust Mr Brown are gaining momentum not because his enemies believe Labour can't beat Mr Cameron but because they believe it CAN.

They argue that Mr Brown can no longer land punches on the Tories because the voters have stopped listening to him.

I have spoken to several key players in Project Cameron for a series about the Tories in The Independent this week. It is not true, as some suggest, that the Tories have no policies. Oliver Letwin, their policy chief, insists they have more than Tony Blair ahead of the 1997 election and at least as many as Margaret Thatcher before her landmark victory in 1979. It is true that the Tories talk about some policies more than others, but it was ever thus. It is also the case that they often take the soft option of opportunism rather than risk saying what they would actually do. The limitations were shown during the Northern Rock affair and over the abolition of the 10p tax rate. But their evasions would have harmed them in the heat of an election battle. Beneath the Tories' confident exterior, there is an intense debate about whether they should declare more of their hand in an attempt to drive a stake through Labour's heart while the party is on the floor.

Mr Cameron is at the cautious end of the spectrum. Labour allows him to get away with his strategy of allowing the Government to stew in its own juice. He is tempted not to take unnecessary risks. With a poll lead of more than 20 points, you can see why. But there is a recognition in the Tory leadership that it needs to do more to win support for its own agenda, however tempting it might be to cruise to victory on an anti-Labour protest. Some Tories think their "real" lead would shrink to 10 points if an election was imminent.

Mr Cameron knows the media searchlight will turn to his party eventually, even if it is fixed on Labour's turmoil now. More work is required to make the Tory prospectus withstand that scrutiny.

On his busman's holiday in Cornwall, where he seemed to pop up daily in the media, Mr Cameron showed the limitations of a strategy built on mood music. Questioned by a group of BBC Radio 1 listeners, he struggled to explain how the Tories' headline-grabbing "annual limit" on immigration would do nothing to stop Polish workers taking British jobs because it would apply only to migrants from outside the EU. He also found it hard to convince a single mother that his party's backward-looking pledge to "reward marriage through the tax system" would not mean less state support for lone parents.

His exchange with the single mum highlighted another chink in the Tory armour. Shadow ministers admit they have accepted large chunks of Labour's social justice agenda, just as Mr Blair forced his party to swallow much of the Thatcher economic medicine. By fighting on Labour's natural ground, and claiming to be the true progressives in politics, the Tories recognise that Labour's social policy values are in tune with the public mood. They hope to convince people they can heal what they call "the broken society" because Labour's top down, money-is-all prescription has failed. They have a point, especially in relation to the working poor, but may struggle to persuade voters that a bottom-up vision based on voluntary groups could provide a practical substitute for the state intervention needed to ensure nationwide provision.

The Tories have a lot done, but a lot to do, to borrow a Blair slogan. Some Tory backbenchers behave as if the next election is already won. That worries the leadership, which knows otherwise, and is determined that Mr Cameron's confidence does not slip into cockiness. "The polls have changed dramatically in the past year; they can change back," said one member of his inner circle.

The ever-worsening economy adds another layer of uncertainty to the election outcome – and the viability of Tories' programme for government. The ever-growing prospect that Labour will fight the election under a different leader is a bigger threat. The Tory strategy (such as offering a "post-bureaucratic age" and completing the Blair public service reforms) is an anti-Brown one. It might not work against Mr Miliband.

Despite that, the election is now Mr Cameron's to lose rather than Labour's to win. Hence his caution. "We need him to make some mistakes to have a chance," one cabinet minister told me. There is little sign he will do so.

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"What are they going to do........launch a nuclear strike against the 80% of the electorate who are going to vote Tory just to ensure that they see the back of Labour forever? "

Fair comment, except that on the showing of the last few elections, it is very unlikely that anything like 80% will even bother to vote. Also, and rather more importantly, unless the Conservative Party has changed radically since the days of Major and Thatcher (and there is little reason to suppose they have), a Cameron government will be just as bad as the present lot for sleaze and cronyism. The policies will be very similar, too, maybe a bit worse, but basically the same mixture; always be very very kind to the already rich and privileged, but tax and regulate the rest of us at every opportunity.

Chucking out one bunch of sleazeballs in order to install another bunch of sleazeballs seems completely pointless. As Shan Morgain said, we need a new set of policies.

Posted by John Davies | 03.08.08, 00:02 GMT

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Labour MPs think Cameron can be beaten.?

What are they going to do........launch a nuclear strike against the 80% of the electorate who are going to vote Tory just to ensure that they see the back of Labour forever?

Get Real................even the Almighty couldn't save the Labour Party from a well deserved terminal kicking at the General Election.

They should count themselves lucky that they have 2 more years at the Trough before we kick all the Labour PIGS into oblivion.

That should give them enough time to build up their 'expenses' and retire in comfort.......something the rest of us will be denied thanks to their Sleaze & Corruption.

Posted by silent hunter | 02.08.08, 22:17 GMT

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Pick a date in the future, and from that date, only pay benefit for children born in wedlock. This would allow families that divorce to carry on claiming benefit and maybe stop young girls getting pregnant as a career choice (if that hapens?). Maybe have an upper limit to the number of children that can be claimed for? Just an few ideas to throw into the pot!

Posted by Pete | 02.08.08, 21:29 GMT

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"All those connected to NuLabour will eventually be purged from the Party.
There are 300,000 ex labour party activists waiting in the shadows, socialist types. Who will retake and reintroduce traditional labour values,beliefs and ideology. "

In your dreams. Read "Parliamentary Socialism" by Ralph Milliband. That's Ralph, not David. Decidedly not David. In fact, read virtually anything by Ralph Miliband. You may or may not always agree with him, but his analysis is always crystal clear and very enlightening.

Then remember Nye Bevan's famous quote when he was struggling with the right wing of the Labour Party. "If I appear on the same platform as a member of the Communist Party, I am associating with a banned organisation and can be expelled from the Labour Party. But if I appear on the same platform as a member of the Conservative Party, this is not the case".

The Labour Party has never been strong on socialism. NuLabour is simply the latest and most extreme exemplar.

Posted by John Davies | 02.08.08, 18:18 GMT

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@ Russ agreed, they are revolting.

All those connected to NuLabour will eventually be purged from the Party.
There are 300,000 ex labour party activists waiting in the shadows, socialist types. Who will retake and reintroduce traditional labour values,beliefs and ideology.
Never again will those opportunists,the Blaire-Brown-Mandelhson, NuLabour and their ilk take from the working class what is ours.
Lessons have been learnt extremely well.

Posted by Nilsey105 | 02.08.08, 17:45 GMT

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Andrew Grice and the politicians alike haven't caught on that the personality of the leader - or how it's glamorised - is no longer working as a vote grabber. That was Blair and this is now, when people have seen through it.
Yes we need policies.

Labour could still save themselves. They have nothing to lose now as they face going into the wiolderness for 20 years having made themselves hated though spin, lies, war, surveillance, robbing the poor to pay the rich etc etc

If they had the guts they would reverse these policies. They'd have just a chance of winning then. At worst ther'd do some good before they go, and hold on to many more votes.

They won't do it. They are still infatuated with spin - 'inspiring' us, 'getting the message across' and now reshuffling the names.

Conservative next time for one round. They'll get hated when people see it'll be business as usual, controls and surveillance for people, but not for big business.
Then MAYBE we'll see some real changes.

Posted by Shan Morgain | 02.08.08, 17:11 GMT

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Why are the taxpayers supporting single mothers? Where's the father in such cases? Is he trying to suggest he had no part in the conception? DNA testing should be routine where there's any doubt and the true father forced to pay up. There shouldn't ever be sex without responsibility for the consequences. I object to my taxes being squandered on people who won't arrange DNA tests or dont want the responsibility for what they caused. It's time the tax system reflected this.

There'd be far less illegit children and single mothers if both parents had to take responsibility.

As for beating Cameron, what for? Just to get another 5 years of Labour incompetence. No thanks. I hope Labour are in the wilderness for the next 20 years or preferably more. I'd be happy if the LibDems captured all their votes as the LibDems have some brains in their party.

Posted by R.W. | 02.08.08, 16:16 GMT

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I often ask myself what social justice is involved in the support of single mothers and their off-springs ? Why should the taxes I pay go to support somebody-else's bastards ?

Posted by r.h.scott-jackson | 02.08.08, 15:38 GMT

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If they believe that then I suggest that they get out more! They are utterly loathed in Scotland and much of the north of England where their policies have had a devestating effect on people lives. Getting rid of Brown won't help them win a forth term, the only thing that just might would be a massive cleanout of both the Blairite and Brownite claques and finding someone not tainted by either. But then looking at the clueless bunch of muppets presently in the labour party it's a hope too far as too few possess any real abilities.

Posted by flipped | 02.08.08, 14:10 GMT

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Andrew Grice's comments lack one variable in his analysis of Labour's chances in the next Westminster election. There has been a seismic shift in Labour's position in Scotland and Wales, especially Scotland. Grice's conclusions are simply those of the Westminster village, isolated from the rest of the current UK. NULAB are heavily dependent on the SCOTLAB vote when the Tories are in ascendency. The SNP are in the ascendency in Scotland - even a Scottish Labour PM did not help Labour in Glasgow East (he did not even appear on his so-called feifdom!) before the election. Attacking the Tories will not help NULAB in Scotland as the Tories no longer pose a threat to Scots. It is time the Independent's writers took their role more seriously and objectively in looking at the UK as a whole when writing about Westminster politics and must try and overcome their myopic little Englander narrow terms of reference.

Posted by John Edgar | 02.08.08, 12:25 GMT

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