Deborah Orr: In the weird world of these embittered men, rape is a crime that doesn't exist
Saturday, 28 June 2008
Jill Saward, who gave up her right to anonymity in order publicly to discuss her experience of rape and its aftermath, is standing against David Davis in his diverting civil-liberties by-election. She will have done the nation a service even if she manages only to get across to people what "anonymity" in rape trials actually is.
Since the law lords last week ruled that the recent use of "witness anonymity" blocks a defendant's right to a fair trial, chaps who feel hard done by have been spluttering indignantly anywhere they can about how nobody cared about witness anonymity when the only "beneficiaries" were those pampered women who claimed that they'd been raped.
But the "anonymity" in rape trials is quite a different beast from the anonymity that troubles the law lords. The former refers only to reporting restrictions that prohibit the naming of people reporting rape in the media. The latter demands that the defendant is not given any information that might lead to his identification of the person giving evidence against him. Clearly that does not happen in rape trials.
Certainly it would explain perfectly why rape convictions run at 6 per cent of those reported, if defendants really were asked whether they pleaded guilty or not guilty to raping a woman who must remain nameless, at a location that must remain nameless, at a time that must remain nameless. Tricky, indeed, to get a conviction there.
Yet the plain absurdity of such a situation has not stopped the pressure group Fathers4Justice from "demanding" this week that anonymity in rape trials is extended so that it applies equally to the suspected criminal and the suspected victim. Their claim is that the law as it stands discriminates against men. It does not, of course. A male victim of rape is subject to the same protections as a female one, just as a female perpetrator is not. Anyway, superheroes, anonymity did apply to both suspect and victim when it was first brought in. However, it was quickly discovered that this hampered the police very greatly when they had to appeal to the public for help in apprehending dangerous suspects who were on the run.
No doubt, armed with the information they might have been expected to uncover themselves in their efforts to be viewed as a serious campaigning organisation, Fathers4Justice will soon be demanding that anonymity for victims in rape trials is also lifted, so that the police can get on with the job of scouring the nation for all those dangerous women who live only to destroy the reputations of as many men as they can.
In the world of the meni-nazis, rape is a crime that barely exists, while false accusation of rape is an endemic and unspeakable commonplace. This assessment, they believe, is borne out by the poor conviction rate. It illustrates only, they argue, that 94 per cent of people reporting rape make their stories up. More sensible suggestions, such as the one which contends that rape – as a usually unwitnessed assault that involves the forced enactment of an exchange that is normal when conducted among consenting adults and might perhaps be hard to prove beyond reasonable doubt – are condemned as "special pleading" by wimmin for wimmin.
It is even suggested by some extremists that women, after the trials in which they have given rejected evidence, should be charged with attempting to pervert the course of justice, as an example to others who might like to try their luck in the courts. Rape has only just been declared by the UN a "weapon of war". No doubt, in the name of equality for men (which I support, of course, as the happy counterpoint to equality for women), false accusation of rape will shortly have to be declared a weapon of war as well.
They lived amicably ever after
I've been labouring for many years under a misapprehension. Like an idiot, I thought that the word "amicable" was a synonym for "friendly". Lately I've begun to question whether that can be right. First Matt Lucas was said to be "amicably" splitting from his civil partner Kevin McGee, both pictured. Then Madonna was described as seeking a divorce from her husband, Guy Ritchie, also "amicably".
Yet in the first of these amicable partings, Lucas is reported as having hired the glossily combative divorce specialist Mishcon de Reya, representative recently of one Heather Mills, to speak softly and reasonably for him. In the second, Madonna is said already to have hired Fiona Shackleton, Paul McCartney's divorce lawyer, to handle her warm and placid disengagement.
I do understand that in both of these cases, there is more at stake than who gets saddled with the bread-maker. But surely, if they are still getting on so nicely, they could just come to a general agreement all by themselves, then hire any old somebody between them to sort out the small print if that's necessary. Why the amicable lunge for the adversarial option?
Divorce lawyers or, even worse, the dreaded family courts, should have to be resorted to only if at least one half of a formerly happy couple is a hate-filled vengeance-seeker of the first water. Bring 'em in, and you can be assured that if, your break-up is amicable for the present, then pretty soon it won't be.
Gay? They don't even make their own mayo
I don't know which group is more up itself – the 200 or so people who complained that a man took a peck at another man in an advertisement for mayonnaise, or the Stonewall gay rights group, which is threatening a boycott of the food giant's products after the film was withdrawn.
The outraged consumers say that they would feel uncomfortable if their children asked them questions about the embrace, which they were prurient enough to view as sexual rather than affectionate. If my parenting skills were so poor that I was unable to explain "Ha, ha, ha! The manufacturers are claiming that if I started using their product, Daddy and you would start thinking I was really a big burly New Yorker who makes delicious sandwiches professionally! Ha, ha, ha!" then I'd want to keep it quiet for fear that social services came round.
But the 200 aren't the only ones displaying sense-of-humour-and-proportion failure. Stonewall says that Heinz was being "homophobic" in withdrawing the ad. Heinz might have been guilty of failing to understand that the mildly sophisticated liberalism of the campaign would not go down well with its more touchy-conservative-parent customers, and moving rather too snappily to assuage them.
But in suggesting that every show of affection between men is necessarily sexual, Stonewall is making exactly the same mistake as the people it says Heinz should have ignored. Still, the old gay-rights humour has come on in recent times. In the 1980s I worked for a magazine that advertised its gay food and drink guide with a poster displaying a plate flanked by a knife and a bent fork. We were forced to withdraw this stab at knowing humour, because homosexual rights groups themselves found it outrageously offensive. At least they've now learnt to wait for others to start complaining first.
* Our struggling government – which we are unable to place on "special measures" – is finding a little time to congratulate itself again. An Ofsted report on the training of primary teachers, which finds it is not likely to enlighten them too much about how to teach a child how to write, is "very encouraging". Indeed, so. The modern way, I've observed, is not for children to be schooled in setting down letters correctly, but for them to be given the creative elbow room to block out the shapes of words in whatever freestyle manner they like. Tempted as more old-fashioned parents might be to persist in the foolish notion that there is a "proper" way to form letters, I feel that it might be easier all round to abolish the whole writing thing and move over instead to "word drawing" from here on in.
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Name one men's rights activist who claims 'rape doesn't exist', Deborah. If you can't, then YOU are making a false accusation.
Posted by Tom Martin | 03.07.08, 01:44 GMT
Thelma, I am not the Kate who put that post elsewhere. I accept the apology that you might be capable of offering in about twenty years time. I don't have issues with men, I have issues with people. You however very clearly have issues with women.
Enough said, goodbye :-)
Posted by kate 1 | 30.06.08, 11:45 GMT
Oh Thelma, I dont know what you are talking about. I never put such a post anywhere. I think people like you are the problem with your 'hate' and your deranged partially coherent rants. You don't listen and you are incapable of digesting anything other than what you want to hear. Perhaps you should go on Big Brother.
All the best :-)
Posted by Kate | 30.06.08, 11:21 GMT
Another bigoted spot of F4J bashing. Prejudice has a new name and it's alive in this column. Our point is that at a time when columnists like this portray women as victims (doesn't say much for feminism does it?) so that they are treated more leniently in the eyes of the law, and men are increasingly demonised, its a pity that Deborah has lost any grasp on the concept of 'equality' that women fought so hard for. One can only conclude therefore that women are more equal than men? Sounds like a feminist Taliban to me.
Posted by Matt O'Connor | 30.06.08, 09:36 GMT
Kate, 'stupid and sexist' so your post elsewhere that men will only be as intelligent as women when they start 'thinking with their brains and not their genitalia' - that means you respect men does it? and believe in equality? i hate women like you who have issues with men due to yr own insecurities. i believe in equality and do not hate men or think they are inferior. how childish and dumb you are. you are the problem kate, not any part of the solution an people like you make things tougher for women. you are sexist. and becaue there are so many socalled 'independent' (ie rude sexist chauvinistic) women like you ordinary women have trouble being belived when they r raped. you do not represent all women you know you sad idiot
Posted by thelma | 30.06.08, 09:07 GMT
"Murray, Fair point! :-)"
Hey Tara,
Thanks for being good about it. I was trying to make a genuine point, especially as this is my favourite newspaper!
However, I also accept there are many more important issues going on, not least the subject of this article. When I submitted my original comment, it was not intended to either disregard or take anything away from more serious matters of discussion.
Thanks :-)
Murray
Posted by Murray | 30.06.08, 00:47 GMT
Thelma, WHAT women put forward the notion that all men are rapists and women never lie about rape? It is not what I believe. Neither Orr's article or anything I have said suggest this. You keep banging on about it and I am not sure how you could interpret what I have said as being sexist either against men or women. Do you know how YOU sound? Sometimes it is hard to be honest with ourselves but in your heart of hearts can you truly say that you don't have underlying issues with 'other women'? At the very least this can manifest itself as an irrantional or excessive focus on negative aspects of 'other women'.
Now, you have grounds for calling me condescending, arrogant, snotty and patronising but NOT sexist.
Posted by stupid and sexist | 29.06.08, 22:02 GMT
the problem is the attitude of deborah orr and other women who put forward the sexist notion that all men are rapists and women never lie about rape. women should grow up and stop expecting special treatment, in fact they should be campaigning for false accusers of rape to go to prison for a long time - cryin wolf is so dangerous and hurts everyone. i think it is outrageous to accuse anyone who supports fathers for justice as somehow wantin to support and cover up rape. a pathetic argument from angry feminists with issues as far as i can see, as a woman i believe in equality between men and women and feel little spoilt girls should grow up or shut up, Kate. do u know how rude and sexist you sound? if not you have real issues. that is not funny but really really sad. your opinions arent serious but stupid and sexist and u hurt the casue of women who have been raped with your arrogant attitude
Posted by thelma | 29.06.08, 20:45 GMT
I did not say rape or false accusations were funny Thelma, I said you were. It seems to me you and PlayPen are determined to willfully misunderstand people and put words in their mouths. That is the way you go about what should be a serious discussion and I don't think it is worthy of being taken seriously.
I think you are one of these people, like PlayPen, so caught up in their own personal issues that they are unable to read, listen or think clearly about what has actually been said.
Posted by Kate | 29.06.08, 19:09 GMT
i don't think rape is funny Kate - neither do i think false accusations of rape are funny because it's like cryin wolf and those who really have been raped are less likely to be believed now. but i am not part of the problem unlike some other women i know
Posted by thelma | 29.06.08, 18:43 GMT
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