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Dominic Lawson: Here's another phoney war: the one on climate change

There's no glory in spending $10m a year on giant nozzles that squirt sulphur dioxide

The phrase "publishing sensation" is standard hyperbole from marketing men anxious to push book sales. Sometimes, however, a book comes along which justifies the term. One such is Freakonomics, which since its publication in 2005 has sold well over 3 million copies. This would be a remarkable figure for a popular fiction writer; but the author of this non-fiction work was a university economist called Steven Levitt, aided and abetted by the New York Times journalist Stephen Dubner.

Essentially their book applied basic economic theories of utility-maximisation to social issues which hitherto had been discussed purely in political terms. The essay which caused the most sensation was Levitt's analysis linking falling crime figures to the federal legalisation of abortion via the Roe v Wade constitutional amendment. Levitt claimed that these apparently unconnected statistics in fact represented a significant correlation: unwanted children tended to be neglected and thus turn to crime, so the great increase in abortions from the early 1970s was the main, but unheralded, reason for the drop in US crime rates in the 1990s.

It's fair to say that Levitt's analysis, while rapidly attaining the status of conventional wisdom, remains highly controversial: a number of his fellow economists argue that his "abortion-cut-crime" theory doesn't come close to meeting the burden of proof. It was, however, marvellously mischievous, causing consternation and fury in equal measure among the American religious right, first in downplaying the role of tough penal policies and second in portraying abortion as a socially valuable law-enforcement tool.

Now Levitt and Dubner are launching the follow up to Freakonomics – but this time it is conventional left-liberal thought which will be outraged by their assertions. A clue is given in the work's full title, Superfreakonomics: Global Cooling, Patriotic Prostitutes and Why Suicide Bombers Should Buy Life Insurance. Yes, the authors have this time addressed their dispassionate intellectual blowtorch to the conventional wisdom about climate change, its causes and remedies.

In this investigation they have called upon a number of experts with relevant expertise, including Nathan Myhrvold, a former colleague of Professor Stephen Hawking at Cambridge, who went on to become Bill Gates' futurist-in-chief at Microsoft; and Ken Caldeira, an ecologist from Stanford University and contributor to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

Caldeira points out that if our concern is for the planet, and if we choose to measure that concern by biodiversity, then increases in carbon dioxide can be a positive benefit. A rise in atmospheric CO2 means that plants need less by way of water for their growth; Caldera's study demonstrated that doubling the amount of carbon dioxide, while holding steady all other inputs, such as water and nutrients, yielded a 70 per cent increase in plant growth. This would not come remotely as a surprise to people of my generation, who were taught at school that carbon dioxide was the lifeblood of plants, but will perhaps be a shock to the present generation of schoolchildren who are being lectured that man-made CO2 is tantamount to poison.

Myhrvold goes on to tell the freakonomists that while the IPCC is fretting fearfully about the CO2 in the atmosphere increasing from about 280 parts per million to 380, our mammalian ancestors successfully evolved at a time when the atmospheric concentration of CO2 was over 1,000 parts per million. Myhrvold then commits true apostasy by pointing out that "nor does atmospheric carbon dioxide necessarily warm the earth: ice-cap evidence shows that over the past several hundred thousand years, carbon dioxide levels have risen after a rise in temperature, rather than before it."

This might help to explain why the recorded temperature of the planet has not increased at all over the past 11 years. As the BBC's climate correspondent, Paul Hudson, reported with thinly disguised amazement three days ago, "Our climate models did not forecast this." Hudson then spoke to Professor Don Easterbrook of Western Washington University, who explained that global temperatures were correlated much more with cyclical oceanic oscillations of warming and cooling than anything man does. Easterbrook argued that the global cooling from 1945 to 1977 was linked to one of these cold Pacific cycles, and that "the Pacific decadal oscillation cool mode has replaced the warm mode [of 1978 to 1998], virtually assuring us of about 30 years of global cooling."

Hold the front page! Global warming postponed for 30 years! Or possibly much longer! Or, if you prefer to remain terrified by environmental prognostications: hold the front page! New Ice Age approaches! Countless millions set to freeze!

Let's suppose, however, that our political leaders are not mistaken in taking the view that the threat to mankind does come from the greenhouse effect and its consequences. Here is where Levitt's friend Nathan Myhrvold (described by Bill Gates as "the smartest person I know") comes up with a plan almost appalling in its simplicity.

Myrhvold begins with the uncontroversial observation that the biggest sudden natural cooling events are eruptions from "big ass" volcanoes, which shoot vast quantities of sulphur dioxide into the atmosphere, which in turn leads to a decrease in ozone and a diffusing of sunlight, followed by a sustained drop in global temperatures. Why not bring about the same effect through engineering, asks Myhrvold. Thus he has designed a system of pumps, attached to gigantic hoses, which would be taken up into the atmosphere in helium balloons; they would then spray colourless liquid sulphur dioxide which would wrap around the North and South poles in less than a fortnight. Myhrvold estimates that this "save the poles" programme would cost roughly $20m, with an annual operating cost of $10m. Job done.

Alternatively, there is the British Government's suggestion that we spend $1.2 trillion a year globally on a decarbonisation programme. The trouble with this is that even if the British are happy to pay massively more for their electricity by foregoing coal – the world's most plentiful and cheap form of stored energy – the vastly bigger and growing economies of China and India have no intention of denying their people the life-changing benefits of cheap electrification.

You would think that the sort of innovative plan outlined in Superfreakonomics would be welcomed by leaders across the globe, with Nobel prizes in the offing for Myhrvold and his colleagues. You would be wrong. For the modern generation of politicians like to talk grandiloquently about the "war" against climate change (just as they do about the "war against terror" and the "war against drugs"): but there's no glory to be had in spending $10m a year on giant nozzles squirting sulphur dioxide around the poles. For that you need very little by way of international summits, or press conferences to the world's media.

Worse still from their point of view, such a solution would mean that they would be doing absolutely nothing to change the way we lead our lives. We would carry on going about our lives just as we are; and if politicians are doing nothing to change our behaviour they will feel bereft, devoid of mission, even (perish the thought) redundant.

Their fury at such redundancy would be shared by the conventional environmental movement, which regards any solution involving geo-engineering as an "offence against nature" and therefore axiomatically wicked – as if "nature" had the capacity to give a damn one way or the other. The authors of Freakonomics had better put on their hard hats; the ideological ordnance will soon be heading their way.

d.lawson@independent.co.uk

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Unforeseen lack of warming over past 11 years
[info]moralclimate wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 12:36 am (UTC)
DL: "This might help to explain why the recorded temperature of the planet has not increased at all over the past 11 years. As the BBC's climate correspondent, Paul Hudson, reported with thinly disguised amazement three days ago, "Our climate models did not forecast this.""

This is a selective use of statistics: if you pick 1998 as your baseline then it hasn't, but why are you picking on 1998 and not another year? Climate modellers never said that every year would be warmer than the last, they forecast an upward trend, and most of the warmest years on record have been in the last 10 years.

1998 was the warmest year because of a super- El Nino and probably also the warming effects of soot from the record fires in South East Asia that the El Nino intensified. No, climate models didn't forecast 1998 would be so warm because El Nino is notoriously hard to forecast, and the effects of soot are still not yet well modelled. These models weren't built to forecast those short-period details.
Re: Unforeseen lack of warming over past 11 years
[info]colinru wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 10:44 am (UTC)
moralclimate. Yes and no. the facts are pretty much the same if you use 1997 which was colder. This may all be a blip but 12 years of data, in comparison to the 30 years from the late 60s, when temps did seem to rise in correlation with CO2 levels, is a fairly long blip. The longest that I can find was in the 40s but only lasted 8 or 9 years, arguably.

I agree that the Models do not predict that temps will rise every year but the trend may well have changed and Professor Easterbrook says this is because of the Pacific current but Professor Philip Stott suggests that it is the Atlantic multi decadal Oscillation that is the cause.
Sulphur Dioxide
[info]chrisnhere wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 04:06 am (UTC)
Sulphur Dioxide combines with water to make sulphuric acid - which falls as Acid Rain.

Adding aerosols to the atmosphere to reduce global warming is hardly a new idea - its just not a very good idea.
The secondary advantage of CO2 reduction is
[info]corporeal_v001 wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 07:37 am (UTC)

That by reducing our current high consumption of fossil fuels and increasing our use of renewable energy (backed by some nuclear power where necessary) is the significant reduction in pollution - resulting in cleaner atmosphere, cleaner cities and therefore less asthma and associated illnesses, etc

Also, less dependence of fossil fuels means fewer illegal invasions...
[info]jamie129 wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 08:49 am (UTC)
That Freakonomics was such an eye opener to many commentators makes me question their underlying scientific literacy - as I recollect it is a series of exercises on the them "post hoc ergo propter hoc is a fallacy". The real and disturbing story is why such a banality came as an eye opener to so many of the great and good.

And so to climate change. Obviously I've not read this book, but the article is not promising. Both the ecosystem and our civilization are in equilibrium with our current climate. Other climates are possible and have occurred in the past, and alongside them there are other civilization models and other ecosystems. The question is whether civilization and the ecosystem can respond on the timescale over which change happens. What's dangerous about "dangerous climate change" is not the level of CO2 that will be in the atmosphere eventually - given time both we and the ecosystem can adapt. What's dangerous is the prospect that the climate change will occur more rapidly than either can respond to without major disruption.

Is this really so hard for economists to grasp? If I told you your income was going to be halved gradually over the next ten years, you could probably adapt. If I told you it was going to be halved tomorrow you would be a little more troubled.
[info]sickofstupidity wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 01:01 pm (UTC)
No, jamie129, what is TRULY dangerous about "dangerous climate change" is that, assuming it is real, we still don't know what the TRUE causes are. Because it certainly ISN'T CO2. And we therefore risk expending trillions on UTTERLY FUTILE MEASURES to combat it, and then still having to face the consequences of it when we have bankrupted the world economy.

See my main post below.
The Greenhouse warming lie
[info]aargonaut wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 08:53 am (UTC)
Ken Caldeira and Nathan Myhrvold are emminent thinkers and Levitt's analysis along with Dubner have tried to
calm the climate lobby with this 'fun' book. The problem is that Governments - especially the British - want to be seen doing something - even if it is the wrong solution. Significantly, we see the science of CO2 blurred and lied about by those in the so-called environment lobby - often a generation of people who lack depth in bio-sciences.
many in the enviornmental lobby pick up bread crumbs of information and cherry pick data which argurs well for their cause. The evil CO2 is actually one of the good guys of plant-life. However, the computer modelling performed by graduates of algorithms - is not only incorrectly compiled but the data inputs are guesswork based on inconsistent trends. With no scrutiny of the modelling the lobby and Government mouth-pieces ignorant in mathmatics blindly take these figures as fact/truth and thus cause disasterous policy shifts. It has to be said that there is no greenhouse warming - the climate is changing but the earth is cooling - this is shown in the past 30 years of data, temperatures are dropping. The Ice age is on its way but the smoke and mirrors environmental lobby with its Government funds and safe jobs is leading us into solutions which are based on a heating planet - solutions awhich re costly, inappropriate and will be eventually found out to be wrong.
Re: The Greenhouse warming lie
[info]sickofstupidity wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 01:05 pm (UTC)
Exactly, I agree on all your points, aargonaut; governments have bought into the CO2 consensus because (a) being seen to be doing something is a vote-winner, and (b) they stand to make trillions in carbon taxation. What they CANNOT claim is that they believe in CO2 AGW because that is what the science says, because (a) most politicians are scientifically illiterate, and not qualified to judge the science, and (b) the science they are quoting is WRONG in any case.

See my main post below.
[info]alexupstart wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 09:09 am (UTC)
Oh, good grief. First, let's get the grain of sense acknowledged: yes, saving the poles with a shield of SO2 may be worth doing. This and other geoengineering ideas are under active consideration, and the only obstacles are a) it's still damn expensive, and no one wants to pay for it, and b) every sane person wants to be sure that all the possible impacts of such an intervention have been properly thought through before we do it.
Now the nonsense. It simply isn't true that that warming trends have failed to fit the models; it is simply that year to year, natural variations mask the decadal warming signal; and lately, much of the warming has taken place at the poles where temperature measurements are not so comprehensively available. The bakground warming signal is still there, still rising and (especially if you live in Kenya, Australia, India...) still a real threat to humanity.
CO2 does help plants grow, but generally helps weeds more than crops. It does not help life in the oceans, which are becoming dangerously acidic - something SO2 in the atmosphere can't help us with. CO2 does follow warming in the fossil record, for the simple reason that dinosaurs didn't drive cars, so it wasn't possible for CO2 to be released WITHOUT warming having already taken place. The same process is now underway, with human releases of CO2 now being joined by CO2 releases from warming permafrost and dying forests. Shame on the Independent for allowing an article that so blatantly misrepresents basic sience to be published without correction.
Levitt and Dubner are quite right to say that there is a problem of incentives around carbon reductions. They are wrong in as much as they suggest that this problem can simply be ignored.
On which planet?
[info]had_it wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 12:43 pm (UTC)
"CO2 does help plants grow, but generally helps weeds more than crops"
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An excellent article about an excellent academic study.
[info]ptstroud wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 09:47 am (UTC)
An excellent article about an excellent academic study. These very clever men are just saying what many highly qualified scientists are saying. That the whole AWG business is at best scientifically suspect at worst a dangerous hoax perpetrated by extreme left wing wealth re distributors. But all these realistic articles are dwarfed in number by the alarmist journalism nothing will change.

Why for example have we seen nothing in the popular media about the recent controversy surrounding the work of Dr Keith Briffa a paleo-climate scientist working at the UK Climate Research Unit who seems to have based his creation of yet another 'hockey stick' curve on a too small number of data samples? And why, when we have unusually cold conditions we are told that this has nothing to do with climate change, it is just weather. Yet on Channel Four news the current Arican drought was put down to global warming, not weather? And why do politicians still keep telling us that climate change, or global warming, take your pick, is the most dangerous problem facing the world, when we all know they really have no idea whether it is so or not?

It the mass media bothered to pick up a small fraction of the ever increasing peer reviewed scientific papers that now question the very basis of the manmade global warming scare, the public would see what shifting sands support the IPCC science. If the mass media had sent just a handful of reporters to the New York meeting of the non governmental panel on climate change last spring they would have reported on well researched scepticism of many world class climate scientists. No, this would never do because it goes against the establishment. The establishment that is now gagging science for political reasons.

We are told by the IPCC that the current hiatus then reduction of global temperatures is down to natural forces. But these are the self same people who have been saying that the 'unique' rise in global temperatures during the latter part of the twentieth century could not possibly have been caused by natural forces. The only possible cause was increasing manmade CO2 emissions.

One of the most vociferous proponents of AGW is Dr James Hansen, yet recent analysis of his climate models suggests that they support the warming was natural anyway. See http://www.appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/HansenModel.htm
Re: An excellent article about an excellent academic study.
[info]owldom wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 10:24 am (UTC)
We should look at the longer, and more realistic, climate patterns of the past 10,000 years, and especially at the violent swings at the end of the most recent Ice Age. Civilization came into being during a calm period. There may well be disasters; but they will be caused by cities having been built at modern sea levels.
Phoney War
[info]juliandbsmith wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 10:51 am (UTC)

Why an earth would the authors of Freakonomics or Dominic Lawson for that matter hold the solution to a problem that the entire global scientific community accepts is true.

Have they secret laboratories or do they secretly send weather ballons up at night, do they record temperatures in a little book? I suspect they do not and rather than accept primary sources of information and properly peer-reviewed and acredited sources of information they access the second, third and fourth information mill, the internet.

What an easy way to make a living!
Re: Phoney War
[info]icf01 wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 01:04 pm (UTC)
The 'entire global scientific community' does accept it as true. I think you're in for a big shock in the next decade or so - hope you'll be big enough to accept your present naivety.
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look at it yourself - [info]unexpectedtiger - Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 02:27 pm (UTC) Expand
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Desperately hanging on to carbon energy production
[info]bigfish454 wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 11:07 am (UTC)
This article is such a feeble argument for the status quo, and against change. Can anyone tell me what is so terrible about moving towards a renewable energy economy? And how does the 1.2 trillion a year cost measure up against the cost of maintaining the status quo (wars, the building of weapons, sustaining unpleasant regimes, pollution health matters, etc.)? Besides it is approx. a mere 2% of world GDP and doesn't just disappear down a black hole, but is actually money that circulates within the economy generating jobs, wealth etc. Surely (on a slight tangent but, as a comparison, relevant, I think) better than giving it to banks!!
Re: Desperately hanging on to carbon energy production
[info]sickofstupidity wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 01:38 pm (UTC)
Eceonmic benefits are a poor excuse for peddling bad science as gospel truth.
Where is the heat going?
[info]econyonium wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 11:09 am (UTC)
The models were used to produce quite specific graphs showing a direct year on year increase in step with increased CO2 output. Observation over the last ten years has shown the reverse. Get over it cooling deniers! Accept the inconvenient truth.

Heat energy can neither be created nor destroyed : it can be transferred. Temperature is a measure of heat transfer. Heat from the Sun accumulates in the Earth's environment unless it is radiated back to Space at a rate faster than it is received. In this case heat accumulation can be observed by combined increased temperature of two of the important indicators, surface temperature and ocean temperature. If combined surface and ocean temperatures decline then heat is not being stored by the Earth's environment and is being lost back to Space.

For la Nina or El Nino to cool or heat, they must transfer heat energy somewhere else within the Earth's environment - since they cannot destroy or create it - which must then get warmer or cooler. However the overall heat energy within the Earth's environment will stay the same and thus the combined global temperatures would not change.

Since combined global temperatures have reduced, either heat energy has been lost to Space - most likely - or there is some other invisible, unknown heat sink within the Earth's environment where the heat build up is being stored or destroyed, or as the cooling deniers insist, "masked".

So deniers over to you, explain this departure from the known laws of physics.

In either case some factor other than fossil fuel emissions of CO2 have the predominant effect on global temperatures and thus climate.
Re: Where is the heat going?
[info]sickofstupidity wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 01:50 pm (UTC)
[Get over it cooling deniers! Accept the inconvenient truth.]

Get over it climate warmers - accept the inconvenient truth that you are WRONG.

[Heat energy can neither be created nor destroyed : it can be transferred]

WRONG. ENERGY can neither be create nor destroyed. HEAT energy, on the other hand, can be - consider the latent heat of phase changes in solids, for instance - heat energy is lost, because there is no temperature change, but the result is a change of phase of matter..

[Temperature is a measure of heat transfer]

No it's not. Heat transfer is a VECTOR quantity which describes the FLOW of heat energy from one place to another; temperature is a SCALAR quantity, which describes the total thermal energy of a system. Example: if you are baking a cake in the oven, and remove the cake when it is finished, you will be able to touch the cake sponge without burning your fingers, but if you touch the metal cake tin you WILL burn your fingers. And yet both are at the same temperature. Why is this? Because the cake sponge is a poor conductor of heat, while the cake tin is a good conductor of heat - i.e. it supports a higher heat transfer rate. Therefore temperature and heat transfer are NOT equivalent. This is the same principle that fire-walkers exploit to walk on hot coals without burning their feet, incidentally. It's not magic, it's just physics.

[So deniers over to you, explain this departure from the known laws of physics.]

It appears - see above - that some of us deniers know more about the basic laws of physics than some (perhaps most) warmists do :o) As Miskolczi has proven quite conslusively.

See my main post below.

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More Carbon Dioxide is not the answer
[info]uanime5 wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 11:47 am (UTC)
Unfortuntately while high levels of carbon dioxide are good for plants it's fatal to humans (even if it doesn't break apeart to form Carbon Monoxide).
ah well
[info]halfmoon_rising wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 12:01 pm (UTC)
can't expect that Lawson would actually have bothered to do anything in depth to understand the faulty reasoning behind this - it says what he wants to hear, what could be better?

so have a look at this, Dominic, and settle down:

http://climateprogress.org/2009/10/12/superfreakonomics-errors-levitt-caldeira-myhrvold/#more-12514
Coal
[info]dafyddtaylor wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 12:09 pm (UTC)
If you want to put more sulphur dioxide in the atmosphere, why not build a few more coal fired power stations? It would reduce our dependence on oil and provide work in mining too!

Global warming may be real, but it is NOT due to CO2!
[info]sickofstupidity wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 12:57 pm (UTC)
Global warming may be real (or it may not be), it may be caused by human activities (or it may be not be), but even if it IS real, and it IS caused by human activity, it is NOT due to rising levels of CO2!

A Hungarian mathematician and climate physicist, Ferenc Miskolczi, discovered a fundamental error in the climate models being used by the climate scientists reporting to the IPCC, while he was working for NASA. He corrected this error, and discovered that the corrected model indicates that CO2 has NO EFFECT WHATSOEVER on global temperatures! Needless to say, because his discovery embarrassed NASA, who had bought into the CO2 consensus, they refused to publish his work, so he left in protest and published his results elsewhere.

Why is his work being ignored by other climte scientists, the IPCC, the UN and the governments of the world? Simple - because the academic reputations and research grants of climate scientists depend on them supporting the CO2-AGW consensus, as do the trillions in carbon-taxation that governments stand to make by penalizing businesses and private citizens for CO2 production.

PLEASE READ AND UNDERSTAND:

http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/550481/the-mammoth-global-warming-scam.thtml

http://jennifermarohasy.com/blog/2009/05/the-work-of-ferenc-miskolczi-part-1/

http://landshape.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=introduction

http://www.uncommondescent.com/science/could-global-warming-have-an-upper-bound/

And for those with the necessary science/maths background, here is the science bit :o)

Miskolczi's paper (somewhat mathematical):

http://met.hu/doc/idojaras/vol111001_01.pdf

Laymen's explanation of Miskolczi's work:

http://landshape.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=introduction

Miklos Zagoni explains Miskolczi's theory (video):

http://heliogenic.blogspot.com/2009/05/miklos-zagoni-explains-miskolczis.html

Mirror:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ykgg9m-7FK4
Re: Global warming may be real, but it is NOT due to CO2!
[info]reallymerlin wrote:
Wednesday, 14 October 2009 at 08:33 am (UTC)
See: http://rabett.blogspot.com/2008/06/gigo-eli-has-learned-over-years-that.html

and: http://www.realclimate.org/wiki/index.php?title=Ferenc_Miskolczi

for a detailed discussion of Ferenc's work by scientists, in which they reject his theories. Sample quotes:

"Miskolczi does not understand Kirchoff's Law"

"I actually sent the author an email the other day asking that very question - how does he go from KE = PE/2 to Eu = Su/2? His response so far was not very clear, and included the word "guess" which left me a little concerned."

"I've exchanged some email with the author now, and it seems pretty clear he does not have an actual derivation of this relationship from physical principles. Rather he seems to have done some simulations relevant for Earth's atmosphere, noticed that this relationship roughly held, and then claimed this analogy to the virial relationship that has no actual basis in physics. As far as I can tell, anyway...."

"first there is the runaway greenhouse on Venus, which Miskolczi would seem to preclude (even though he says not -- with little more than a wave of the hand) Second there is actually a regional tropical runaway greenhouse effect here on earth (http://www.nasa.gov/centers/ames/news/releases/2002/02_60AR.html), which would also seem to be ruled out by Miskolczi."
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Yes, that CO2 ...
[info]richard_hode wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 02:02 pm (UTC)
"the IPCC is fretting fearfully about the CO2 in the atmosphere increasing from about 280 parts per million to 380, our mammalian ancestors successfully evolved at a time when the atmospheric concentration of CO2 was over 1,000 parts per million."

And no wonder. If we too are lucky, the CO2 will rise to 1600 parts per million which is the ideal CO2 concentration for growing cannabis.
Latest stick to beat the masses with.
[info]adanuff wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 03:12 pm (UTC)
I see that 'Climate Change' has replaced 'Global Warming' as the mantra of the scare mongers as it wasn't fitting the models that have been formulated. All this smacks of a new religion to beat the masses with, no longer is it 'worship God or the world will end' now it's reduce your 'carbon footprint or the world will end' and anyone who says otherwise is a dangerous heretic, as a species we seriously need to grow up or do we need religious dogma to be replaced by poor scientific dogma to fill some void in our lives.
Re: Latest stick to beat the masses with.
[info]sickofstupidity wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 06:48 pm (UTC)
Well said - climate change is the new religion, and we are all 'sinners' who must 'repent' and follow the teachings of self-appointed prophets - i.e. the warmists and their political supporters.
Sulphur Dioxide and Eco-Religiuos Bigotry Bigotry
[info]mikepost wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 06:17 pm (UTC)
Two points:

Having been responsible for the maintenance of an oil refinery's leaky sulphur dioxide extraction unit forty years ago, can I counsel against spraying SO2 into the atmosphere. It doesn't half get to your lungs. Vile stuff. On the other hand I have never had that problem with totally benign, life-giving carbon dioxide.

In his excellent book "An Appeal to Reason - A Cool Look at Global Warming", Lord Nigel Lawson, Dominic,s father, explains (page 105): "indeed, I have only been able to write this book because my own career is behind me." Lord Lawson is no shrinking violet. The eco-religious bigotry that informs Lord Lawson's observation should give anyone who cares about rational political decision-making serious pause for thought.
Re: Sulphur Dioxide and Eco-Religiuos Bigotry Bigotry
[info]sickofstupidity wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 06:50 pm (UTC)
Just to clarify - are you calling Lord Dawson an eco-religious bigot, or the people he is attacking?
Re: Sulphur Dioxide and Eco-Religiuos Bigotry Bigotry - [info]mikepost - Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 07:07 pm (UTC) Expand
CO2 climate theory
[info]unleadedhead wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 07:15 pm (UTC)
sickofstupidity

Those references are very much appreciated.
Denial
[info]ecowarrior1001 wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 10:38 pm (UTC)
I am surprised the Independent would base an article on a freakanomics book - a guide which uses extremely selective facts to make a point. Sadly the inclusion of this article in the paper merely gives those who know little about the problem a perfect excuse to deny it. For more about denial check out this video I found - there's a whole series on youtube that cover every denial topic. http://www.eco-tube.com/v/TALK/Climate_Denial_the_Great_Petition_Fraud.aspx
Read Lawson with utmost caution
[info]enzed_70 wrote:
Wednesday, 14 October 2009 at 09:22 am (UTC)
Anything Dominic Lawson has to say about anthroprogenic global warming I now see for what it is. At best maths just isn't his bag, at worst it's politically motivated wilful ignorance couched in the favoured explanatory tactic of the paranoid and the intellectually lazy - "global conspiracy".

This passage is taken from "Sustainable Energy — without the hot air" (David JC MacKay, p. 8)

http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/sustainable/book/tex/sewtha.pdf

"The burning of fossil fuels is the principal reason why CO2 concentra-
tions have gone up. This is a fact, but, hang on: I hear a persistent buzzing
noise coming from a bunch of climate-change inactivists. What are they
saying? Here’s Dominic Lawson, a columnist from the Independent:

“The burning of fossil fuels sends about seven gigatons of CO2
per year into the atmosphere, which sounds like a lot. Yet the
biosphere and the oceans send about 1900 gigatons and 36000
gigatons of CO2 per year into the atmosphere – ... one reason
why some of us are sceptical about the emphasis put on the role
of human fuel-burning in the greenhouse gas effect. Reducing
man-made CO 2 emissions is megalomania, exaggerating man’s
significance. Politicians can’t change the weather.”

Now I have a lot of time for scepticism, and not everything that sceptics say
is a crock of manure – but irresponsible journalism like Dominic Lawson’s
deserves a good flushing.

The first problem with Lawson’s offering is that all three numbers that
he mentions (seven, 1900, and 36000) are wrong! The correct numbers are
26, 440, and 330. Leaving these errors to one side, let’s address Lawson’s
main point, the relative smallness of man-made emissions.

Yes, natural flows of CO2 are larger than the additional flow we switched
on 200 years ago when we started burning fossil fuels in earnest. But it
is terribly misleading to quantify only the large natural flows into the at-
mosphere, failing to mention the almost exactly equal flows out of the
atmosphere back into the biosphere and the oceans. The point is that these
natural flows in and out of the atmosphere have been almost exactly in
balance for millenia. So it’s not relevant at all that these natural flows are
larger than human emissions. The natural flows cancelled themselves out.
So the natural flows, large though they were, left the concentration of CO2
in the atmosphere and ocean constant, over the last few thousand years.
Burning fossil fuels, in contrast, creates a new flow of carbon that, though
small, is not cancelled. Here’s a simple analogy, set in the passport-control
arrivals area of an airport. One thousand passengers arrive per hour, and
there are exactly enough clockwork officials to process one thousand passengers
per hour. There’s a modest queue, but because of the match of arrival rate to
service rate, the queue isn’t getting any longer. Now imagine that owing to fog
an extra stream of flights is diverted here from asmaller airport. This stream
adds an extra 50 passengers per hour to the
arrivals lobby – a small addition compared to the original arrival rate of
one thousand per hour. Initially at least, the authorities don’t increase the
number of officials, and the officials carry on processing just one thousand
passengers per hour. So what happens? Slowly but surely, the queue grows.
Burning fossil fuels is undeniably increasing the CO2 concentration in the
atmosphere and in the surface oceans. No climate scientist disputes this
fact. When it comes to CO2 concentrations, man is significant."
Lawson: Global warming
[info]ian1664 wrote:
Wednesday, 14 October 2009 at 09:23 am (UTC)
"juliandbsmith wrote:
Tuesday, 13 October 2009 at 10:51 am (UTC)

Why an earth would the authors of Freakonomics or Dominic Lawson for that matter hold the solution to a problem that the entire global scientific community accepts is true."

While we are talking about truth, does the "entire global scientific community" include the (at least) 37,000 scientists who are sceptics, many of them in the IPCC?
Re: Lawson: Global warming
[info]reallymerlin wrote:
Wednesday, 14 October 2009 at 11:35 am (UTC)
Coud you please give us a list of these 37,000 scientists, so we can check their scientific credentials, and find out exactly which ones were on the IPCC, and if they were, where exactly they disagreed with the IPCC.

Failing that, could you explain where this list comes from.

The most well sourced list I'm aware of is on Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming. I count about 40. Most of them disagree with particular aspects of the IPCC, e.g. how much global warming is being caused by humans (and reliability of estimates on how much will be caused by humans), rather than the existence of a human component in global warming.
Re: Lawson: Global warming - [info]ian1664 - Wednesday, 14 October 2009 at 03:21 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Lawson: Global warming - [info]reallymerlin - Wednesday, 14 October 2009 at 04:17 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Lawson: Global warming - [info]ian1664 - Wednesday, 14 October 2009 at 09:31 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Lawson: Global warming - [info]reallymerlin - Thursday, 15 October 2009 at 08:35 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Lawson: Global warming - [info]ian1664 - Thursday, 15 October 2009 at 12:07 pm (UTC) Expand
(no subject) - [info]lucykate1999 - Wednesday, 14 October 2009 at 04:47 pm (UTC) Expand
Aaron Huertas
[info]ahuertas wrote:
Friday, 16 October 2009 at 04:30 pm (UTC)
It's not so much upsetting as it is simply wrong. Geoengineering is speculative at best. And on their way to defending it as the way forward, the authors grossly misrepresent basic climate science. My organization has published a response to their chapter here: http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/science_and_impacts/global_warming_contrarians/book-superfreakonomics.html.

Thanks,
Aaron Huertas
ahuertas@ucsusa.org
Earth's Wobble Causes Global Warming
[info]firstmate1776 wrote:
Saturday, 17 October 2009 at 09:56 am (UTC)
Scientists have published a report in "Science" indicating that carbon dioxide increases with global warming but does not cause it - the wobble of the earth's axis changes climate over a recurring 26,000 thousand year cycle. Ancient builders frequently aligned important buildings (pyramids, temples, etc.) to the stars only to find them 1 degree out of alignment after 72 years. Can you imagine telling the Pharoah (for example), that the gods (stars) were moving away from us?
Plato termed this the "Precession of the Equinoxes" and divided the "Great Year" cycle into 12 Ages.
The song "Age of Aquarius" gets it partly right, but New Agers should note that Age is at the very bottom of the cycle! And yes, it begins on December 21, 2012.
Now, before you dismiss me as a hopeless astrology nut, consider what you learned in school - the tilt of the axis gives us spring, summer, fall and winter. That tilt oscillates as well, causing the earth to change position relative to the familiar constellations of the Zodiac.
Please read the following article, http://newsroom.melbourne.edu/news/n-119.
Don't care now
[info]dinerouk9 wrote:
Saturday, 17 October 2009 at 10:02 am (UTC)
I used to care about warming, until the armchair geophysicists guided in the main by ideaology, started squabbling like kids in a playground. I don't care anymore. Que sera sera
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