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Dominic Lawson: Well done our women cricketers. Just don't ask me to watch them

It's no criticism of women to point out that they are physically incapable of propelling a cricket ball at 90 mph

Scandal surrounds the victory of our national team in the women's cricket world cup. The scandal, apparently, is that there was no terrestrial television coverage of their great triumph – or so the Secretary of State for Culture, Media and Sport, Andy Burnham, argued in these pages yesterday. Mr Burnham fulminated, further, that "the absence of celebratory voices reinforced a point I have been making since [the] Beijing [Olympics]: that coverage of women's sport is woefully absent from our television screens, radios and newspapers. I feel more strongly than ever that this needs to change – urgently".

As far as I am aware, Andy Burnham is typical of New Labour in being obsessed with football, in a way that almost blots out all other sports. If it were otherwise, it would surely have occurred to him that the BBC has long ago given up televising cricket altogether; if that doesn't bother him and his colleagues, why on earth should they be putting pressure on the Corporation to show England's women cricketers?

At the risk of creating the impression that I lead an empty and idle life, I admit that I did watch Sky's highlights of the England women's victory over New Zealand. I soon realised why the vast North Sydney Oval was almost deserted. The standard seemed little higher than that of a good club cricket game, of the sort which is played in villages up and down the country every weekend in summer; but no one except for friends and families would actually think of going along to watch such matches – let alone pay to get through a turnstile.

The one thing clearly lacking was pace on the ball – the very element which thrills and makes the hairs on the back of our neck rise when we witness it, and which causes our tongues to cleave to the roof of the mouth when we actually experience it on the field. I'm sure that the England women's so-called "fast" bowlers would have been much too good for me, in the days when I played club cricket – but they occupy a different universe from the leading male equivalents.

In a charity game I once found myself facing the West Indian fast bowler, Courtney Walsh, in his fearsome prime. I have never been so frightened, not even by a visit to the dentist (which can amount to much the same thing, only the dentist will give you anaesthetic before removing your teeth). My mistake was to have dismissed Courtney when he was batting – and now he was going to show me what a real fast bowler could do.

Three times he hurtled in; three times I never saw the ball – only hearing its percussive thump a fraction of a second later as it struck the wicketkeeper's gloves about 20 yards behind me. On the fourth occasion the ball burst through the keeper's grip, and as I was called for a scampered bye, I became aware of my shirt clinging coldly to my back, drenched in the sweat of sheer terror.

It's no criticism of women to point out that they are physically incapable of propelling a cricket ball at 90 mph, or that if a woman tried to apply as much torsion though the shoulder as Shane Warne did with his leg-breaks, it would probably be her arm, rather than the ball, which would be spinning through the air towards the batsman. Neither is it the case that they are not really playing cricket (indeed, given that the England women's cricket team are all amateurs, they are in many ways closer to an old ideal of the game). It's just that they are, in every sense, in a different league.

It's true that we can all get extremely excited about any form of well-matched sporting competition – especially when national pride is involved. So if a British woman becomes an Olympic champion at something – swimming, for example – it captures our imaginations. We like the fact that one of our own has beaten all the rest, and, even if we had never known of her existence before the event began, we end up vicariously sharing in her joy at victory.

The same, obviously, applies to a male champion; but with the truly exceptional man – such as the sprinter Usain Bolt – there is something extra, a kind of gasping astonishment on our part that such strength and power could be encompassed by a human being at all. This, perhaps, is why the whole world seemed to be in thrall to that extraordinary Jamaican, and not just his own homeland: such athleticism easily transcends mere parochialism and national rivalries. By contrast, I hardly think that Mr Andy Burnham would have been jumping up and down with excitement if it had been the New Zealand team that had carried off the women's cricket World Cup.

We are sometimes told that we should support women's sport because to do so is more "inclusive"; the same argument is used to advocate television coverage of sport for the disabled. This is a fine cause: sport is good for people regardless of how many x or y chromosomes they possess, and especially good for the disabled, whose general state of health may otherwise be a particular concern.

Yet since women's sport and sport for the disabled is kept separate from able-bodied men in all forms of competition, there is a sense in which it is the complete opposite of "inclusive". Even chess – where you might think there would be no biological reason for separation – is divided up into a women's world championship and a man's championship. It was with the greatest difficulty that the world's strongest woman chess player, the Hungarian Judit Polgar, was able to persuade the sport's authorities that she should compete only against the men, rather than other women. Yet none of her fellow women players have followed her example, presumably judging that they have a better chance of becoming a "world champion" if they limit the competition to members of their own sex.

I realise that it is not advisable to suggest that that there is anything inferior about sport events which are only open to women or the disabled: President Obama has been forced to grovel after telling the chatshow host Jay Leno that his lamentable tenpin bowling skills were like "something from the Special Olympics".

There is a particular sensitivity here that English readers might miss. The Special Olympics – nothing to do with the bloated Olympiad movement – were set up over 40 years ago by Eunice Shriver, the oldest surviving sibling of President John F Kennedy, driven by her love for their disabled sister, Rosemary. For a Democrat President to be seen to mock the idea, therefore, was more than merely politically incorrect.

Outside the Democrat family, Obama has been criticised by the former Republican vice-presidential candidate, Sarah Palin, whose young son has Down syndrome. Governor Palin protested that "this was a degrading remark about our world's most precious and unique people, coming from the most powerful position in the world".

Come off it, Mrs P. I too have a child with Down syndrome, and was thrilled that she took part in the school sports day; she came last, by a very long way, but I was touched beyond words by the cheers of all those watching, as she finally crossed the line. I don't, however, think that the BBC should have been required to televise it.

d.lawson@independent.co.uk

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Women's cricket final
[info]claire133 wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 08:10 am (UTC)
I watched the women's cricket highlights and found myself on tender-hocks, even though I knew the result. I was impressed with the standard of play. The fielding was athletic, the catching impressive, and some of the shots beautifully timed. True, there were no heave-ho tonks over the boundary or hair-raising bowling. I noticed this and then I realised the types of male batsmen and bowlers I admire the most. I like the batsmen of craft and elegance, who stroke the ball through the gaps, with barely any effort. I like the wily spin bowlers and the ones who make the ball swing through the air - both ways. I like the chess game much more than the blunt instrument.

However, I fear that the desire for wham, bash and bam spectacles will cause these nuances to wither away. I am grateful to Sky for showing the women's final. It was entertaining and fun to watch.
[info]cricket1234 wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 08:33 am (UTC)
I think you should have watched it live, it was riveting.

Okay, the bowling was not fast, but it was skillful and from Brunt, it was definitely aggressive. Some of the lack of speed was put down by Wasim Akram (commentating) to the fact that the women don't bowl enough. He said that men develop their bowling muscles significantly by the workload of four-day cricket, which women aren't exposed to. I don't think anyone who watches people like Serena Williams play tennis would argue that women aren't capable of quicker bowling than that which was on show.

Also, just like mens T20, it was shown what good value there is for slow bowling in the shorter form of the game. And Holly Colvin didn't just fire in darts, she used good flight and had some drift.

The batting has become a lot stronger since the T20's started. The final was a low-scoring game, but there have been plenty of big shots and exciting batting in many of the other matches.

I especially thought the skill level of the wicket keeping was high. Sarah Taylor, up to the stumps to our bowlers who were the same speed as Collingwood, was excellent.
What else to expect!
[info]francetta wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 08:45 am (UTC)
Lawson seems to be suffering from a rather large dose of testosterone, more in the brain area than elsewhere-- never mind, what else to expect, poor dear, he's only a man and possibly unable to bash a ball for six! Obviously short on unprejudiced thought too.
Re: What else to expect!
[info]adw2000 wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 09:31 pm (UTC)
His comments weren't sexist - but these are.
Glass ceiling heresy
[info]cybernaught2009 wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 09:12 am (UTC)
In this wonderfully written column, Dominic Lawson seems to be edging at the heretical thought that there is no glass ceiling, only the effects of gravity; women can't compete with men at the highest level beause they lack physical robustness and mental toughness.
Re: Glass ceiling heresy
[info]wormery wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 01:59 pm (UTC)
Yes, there is no glass ceiling and no gender pay gap either. They are feminist constructs because accepting the fact of male superiority in certain fields would be unthinkable for the usual suspect sisters. Sad really.
Re: Glass ceiling heresy
[info]tarquintt wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 10:06 pm (UTC)
the 'gender pay gap' is a massive contortion of the facts - it makes no distinction between the type of jobs done, hours worked and no account of generational differences that are a result of the past, which you may have noticed - we can't change
Women's sport is rubbish
[info]wormery wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 09:39 am (UTC)
Excellent article based on fact and not feminist aspiration. The best female cricketer or football player or golfer is no match for any professional male player at the highest level. They are handicapped by their female bodies and brains which lack spatial awareness and that drive that men have. That is the fact, no matter how much the BBC will keep saying what wonderful clothes the emperor's wearing and how wonderful women's sport is. Women's sport is like special needs sport - ie they all do very well but really, it's crap innit? Or shall we have an olympics for obese people, or smokers, or pensioners, or just people who are crap at sport.

By the way, I hate watching sport - except for tennis - but even I can see that women's sport is rubbish and women don;t watch sport anyway. The women who do, many of them rather masculine it has to be said, are not typical and must be bitter they can;t play with the boys and get the dosh and fame. That's life ladies. Deal with it.

I just wish our education system was as selective as sport. It should be exclusive, not inclusive, and not accessible either which leads to dumbing down - it should be inaccessible for most and then it will have value. All must have prizes is a dumb, silly ideology.
Green Ink Brigade
[info]exdependent wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 09:49 am (UTC)
Claire: "tender-hocks"? Bless! They sound delicious
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[info]l3enz0 wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 10:19 am (UTC)
'It's no criticism of women to point out that they are physically incapable of propelling a cricket ball at 90 mph' ...
So was Shane Warne but that didn't stop him being one of the most exciting cricketers of all time . I thoroughly enjoyed watching what little I saw of our outstanding women's team and particularly the accuracy of much of the slower bowling and I would have to agree with cricket1234 about Colvin's use of flight and drift . Although my highlight was Marsh's 5 wicket haul against Pakistan . Shah's dismissal was a perfect delivery .
[info]jonathancr wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 11:07 am (UTC)
Why is it more interesting to watch a ball that's thrown so fast you can't see it? No matter who is playing it, all that happens in cricket is that one person chucks a ball and another person possibly deflects it into the ground. I'd say that the more slowly this is done, the marginally closer to watchable it becomes.

I'm also not convinced by the notion that it's more interesting to watch male athletes because they've reached an incredible peak of fitness and physical achievement. By that argument, it would be interesting to watch the world's most accomplished scholars working on their papers in libraries, because they have reached an incredible peak of intellectual ability and achievement. But it's not. Why is one kind of achievement considered more interesting and watchable than another, even though it actually *achieves* less? When I see an incredible athlete doing something incredible on TV, all I see is someone who's devoted an incredible amount of time and energy to doing something pointless.

As for the idea that we all get excited when some British person, whom we'd never heard of before, does this, well sorry, but no. Being pleased that someone of your nationality has beaten people of another nationality is no morally different from being pleased that someone of your race, or your gender, has beaten people of other races or genders. It's just that we give it a nicer name.
Women's cricket
[info]pmathew63 wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 11:52 am (UTC)
I would have loved to have seen the Indian women play - even if they lost eventually, they did beat Australia twice which is always great fun. Who cares if they dont bowl as fast as men ? Women's sport can be immensely entertaining. Along those lines, college basketball is more entertaining for many that NBA basketball for a reason.
Long history of sexism?
[info]rickky678 wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 12:37 pm (UTC)
Surely it's unfair to compare female athletes to male. In my eyes females are new comers to the world of sport, after many years of sexist discouragement. Even now, female athletes face tiny budgets in comparison to their male counterparts.
In sports that have been opened to women you see much less of a divide between male and female performance- just look at tennis, which red blooded males amongst us would ever hold up in a set against either of the Williams sisters?
Because of this surely it's idiocy to suggest that "no woman will ever be able to throw a ball at 90mph"?
Re: Long history of sexism?
[info]wormery wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 12:51 pm (UTC)
That is your feminist fantasy and extrapolation. The fact is men and bigger and stronger than women, and the male brain gives men an aptitude for sport and spatial awareness that most women lack, plus men have the motivation and risk-taking attitude. No sociological fantasy theory can hide the facts of biology and gender brain difference. Sorry, but do try to grow up.
Re: Long history of sexism?
[info]rickky678 wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 01:23 pm (UTC)
Haha! Womery! I read your comments on Russian immigration the other day! I think you need to go back to commentng on youtube videos!
I disagree, by the way, I think that the beauty of sport is that it encompasses a whole array of environmental and social factors, other then just genetic makeup.
Re: Long history of sexism?
[info]wormery wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 01:58 pm (UTC)
You read my comments on Russian immigration? Amzing that, as I wrote none. If you mean me assrtion that Russians make it difficult for independent travellers to get visas because they have a culture of suspicion of foreigners, then maybe. Sadly, you have just shown you are illiterate and well and illogical. Never use youtube - it's full of teen morons like you.

Your argument is so silly and motivated by feminist sour grapes and envy. I prefer to look at the facts - and brain biology and body structure is about as factual as one can get. I know you probably think women will be able to beat men one day - but really, get a grip love and just accept that men will always excel in ways women will not.

But the girls do try very hard and I think they've done very well. As have my local sunday league side. As do the old women at keep fit classes at the local leisure centre. But theye're not the BEST are they? And women just do not ,like sport (SPORT is just practice for war and hunting so of course men are better at it - women have no spatial awareness, cannot throw a spear properly, and spend all their time nattering anyway).
Spacial Awareness
[info]lou_zingstreke wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 02:09 pm (UTC)
On the male/female spacial awareness thing, I'd just like to say that I, a woman, have never crashed my car, but there are two corking great dents in the back of it, the first from when a tree leapt out at my (male) cousin, and one from when my ex-boyfriend was ambushed by a stationary bag of rubble in the driveway that I had pointed out to him 20 seconds previously.

As far as professional sport goes, you don't get many short/skinny males in professional sports, so it's no discredit to my gender that we can't compete, being generally shorter and skinnier than the men.

Women also prefer, in general, to spread their energy over a wider range of activities (jack-of-all-trades) whereas men usually like to focus at being really good at something specific (master of one). The pool of talent in women's sports is therefore reduced further because large numbers of young women who may have a particular natural talent just couldn't be bothered to develop it because our preference is to engage in a range of activities, and spending all our time on just one is a bit, well, boring.
Re: Spacial Awareness
[info]wormery wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 03:26 pm (UTC)
Listen love - it is a well known fact that women have crap spatial awareness in general, though some exceptions prove the rule (Martina...). That is evolutionary - women were made to be pregnant all the time and stay in the cave looking after babies, which is why they are as they are - risk-averse, talkative, social, less independent than men, middling.

You anecdotes prove nothing at all - one must look at ALL the figures and they show that although men drive twice as much as women and do more challenging driving too (most women toddle round their local area) men and women have equal numbers of accidents. I have seen so many women reverse into things - really funny actually.

There are lots of small skinny men in professional sport - for example, marathon running, tabkle tennis, horse racing. Nice try but a false argument. Try again sister.

But of course, most men have to pay for a minority of boy racers - so perhaps you should be campaigning for equal car insurance for men and women? Or are you one of them hypocrite feminists (as if there is any other kind...)?

Men are not 'master of one' but I agree, women cannot focus and have butterfly brains and are overemotional. This is called 'multi-tasking' apparently. Can't focus. Can;t excel. Just plod along and be methodical (why girls do 10% better at GCSEs). Boring, predictable and no fun - as nature made you. Risk averse, so you can have babies and look after them. Females are middling and average as I said, because of innate lack of aprtitude due to evolutionary biology and brain biology, not because of lack of trying... And some women really are VERY trying....

Don't blame me love, blame evolution for coming up with the zygotic mechanism. You just have to accept men are better are certain things - women tend to be better at breast feeding and looking after babies. You should try it sometime.
Re: Spacial Awareness
[info]goodjuslookin wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 03:53 pm (UTC)
Very interesting discussion this. I don't have anything to prove so don't care if women are more graceful than men or if men are physically stronger. Both are different and bring different qualities to things, doesn't mean that what set of qualities should be 'better than the other set'. Sometimes there are men that are better at undertaking women's things and then there are some women that are better at undertaking mens things, both a minority, it is true, but it is possible and proven.

As for women's sport, it should be broadcast (if not on the BBC then somewhere else) if only to encourage women to take it up (where they are inclined to, encouared to and ambitious enough to). I find football (let alone womens football, absolutely boring), but I'd be interested to see how women's rugby gracefully and skillfully adapt the existing rules to their own smaller and weaker stature. Its evolution, and I'm always up for that. I have a friend who has a daughter who wants to play football, and she is good at it, but her father's argument is beyond believe; it is 'ungraceful' and she will learn some 'unlady like ways'. Oh dear what a caveman attitude, if I do say so myself ( or third world).

The naysayers who bang on about women being weak and incapable should put their money where there mouth is (if they are male) . It would be entertaining for us too, to watch either of the Williams sisters, pummel the oxygen out of them on the tennis court. A little less talk and more action please :-) . As for me, I'd know better than to poo poo a top woman athelete - I'd get trounced, as they are way out of my league. I hold them in as much awe as I do the men, as they are the best at their own respsective (and different) games. Us mere mortals, can't even compare. Period
Re: Spacial Awareness
[info]wormery wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 05:37 pm (UTC)
I did not say men's set of qualities were better than women's, though men are better at many things such as sport. Women are more middling and average because that is the way evolution has made them - it is an advantage to be like that, and risk averse, if you are female. For males, spatial awareness, drive for status, ability to hunt and fight, abilioty to really excel would mean a man would be higher status and therefore be able to impregnate more women.

We are all cavemen and cavewomen and that is why men and women are NOT the same or equal. No matter how the usual suspects try and spin their deceitful web of delusion about gender equality.

The word 'tend' should be used maybe. Men tend to be better at sport, maths, technology, getting to the top and excelling than women, but there are the exceptions that prove the rule (ie the Venus sisters who are freaks like all those at the top of sport - weirdly short reaction times...).

I have nothing to prove either, but a knowledge of human behaviour, history and evolutionary biology mean I look at the facts not the PC nonsesne theories of gender equality that are peddled these days. Facts are facts. Men are better at sport than women, in general and have better spatial awareness. Look at small children playing - and see the fact that males are females are neither the same nore equal (though should be treated as equal in law - sadly men are treated more harshly and in an inferior way to women at the moment which is terribly unequal).
Re: Spacial Awareness
[info]sara_sense wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 03:34 pm (UTC)
Wormery needs to get LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAID!

No takers? Didn't think so.
Re: Spacial Awareness
[info]wormery wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 05:30 pm (UTC)
There you go again Sara nonsense, stalking me again. I wondered why little Sara would show up to spout her feminist nonsense. Wormery gets laid a lot actually, because his is stinking rich and high status (that's evolutionary too).
Re: Spacial Awareness
[info]sara_sense wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 05:42 pm (UTC)
Aside from the fact your comment makes very little sense, if you have such a high status and are stinking rich, wouldn't you have something better to do than sit on here and spread the hate all day?

Just a thought.

Re. stalking - you wish ;-) I saw your comments on my pics, think you're projecting onto me there, boyo.
Re: Spacial Awareness
[info]wormery wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 06:22 pm (UTC)
There you go again little Sara nonsense, stalking me like a nutter. Any point to make there love, or just being a spiteful pre-menstrual bitch again? I pity your boyfriend, I really do. Poor guy.

How is analysing evolutionary biology spreading hate? Calm down dear - you know what you're like when you lose an argument and throw a tantrum.

I doodle on these boards in my tea breaks, in between running my business and writing/editing my books/scripts. Perfectly normal, y'know. And I get lots of ideas. I'm writing a script now about a mentally deranged misandrist feminist who cannot accept any fact or truth as she thinks it's all a male patriarchal conspiracy. Guess what her name is SARA.....!!!!! You're so funny. Now run along and have a little cry like the bimbo you are.
Actually I like to watch
[info]andrea_2 wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 02:37 pm (UTC)
female gymnasts. I think they are incredible skilled and graceful. And also brave. I think the male gymnasts are brave and skillful too but not so graceful. It would be difficult to say which was superior, I suppose it depends on what you're looking for. I don't think anyone could say that Olympic level female gymnasts are inferior to male gymnasts because strictly speaking you're not comparing like with like. The disciplines differ slighty in order to make the most of the strengths of the male and female anatomy.
Women's Cricket, Thanks, but no Thanks!
[info]mucho_bueno wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 03:54 pm (UTC)
Sadly, unless you have a vested interest in the game [be it a family member, coach or player] I'd have to agree that women's cricket is completely unwatchable. I tried on a few occassions over the past couple of weeks to give it a go, but after about 20 minutes the sporting prowess & skill on show was so sub-standaard compared to the men's game, that it seemed fairly pointless to waste anymore time watching it. Life's too short! Not even Sky with all the marketing tools available to them were able to sell it in any convincing manner.

For me, about 4-5 years ago, one sport where the women were definitely providing a far more interesting spectacle than the men was in tennis. It coincided with Federe's absolute & total dominance of the men's game, and before the likes of Nadal, Murray & Djokovic had really made their mark. At that time, in the women's game you had the likes of Venus, Serena. Sharapova, Henin, Clijsters, Mauresmo, Davenport, Kuznetsova all playing at the top of their game. It really was a golden age of women's tennis.

Besides that, the only other time I've ever really gotten excited about watching women compete in sport is BEACH VOLLEYBALL. I've no idea what the rules are, or even how the scoring works. In all honesty I don't really care! I just love watching all that hot, sexy, sweaty booty jumping up & down.

Women's cricket, no thanks. Beach volleyball, yes please!!!!!!!





Re: Spacial Awareness
[info]kodak321 wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 04:25 pm (UTC)
Be careful, Sara. He might consider you. Now that would be tragic.
Re: Spacial Awareness
[info]wormery wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 05:40 pm (UTC)
I've got a good idea - you are Sara - made for eachother like all good retards!
Re: Spacial Awareness
[info]kodak321 wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 05:47 pm (UTC)
Wormey. Read again. Double meaning??
Women's cricket
[info]girafusa wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 06:22 pm (UTC)
The writer appears to be obsessed with strenth and power to the exclusion of every other aspect of sport. Pitiful. For me, there is an excellent and simple reason why more women's sport should be televised: because many of the 50% (or is 52%) of the population would like to watch their own sex - as well as the men - compete and excel. Simple/
Re: Women's cricket
[info]wormery wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 07:04 pm (UTC)
There's no demand for women's sport on TV and no-one would watch it. Simple. Unless you want to use a quota system - under some kind of soviet-style media? Market forces. Most people couldn;t give a flying fig about women's sport and that included most women. End of.
Re: Women's Cricket
[info]kodak321 wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 07:30 pm (UTC)
Not quite. Beach Volleyball's a bloody good sport. It's very entertaining, for all the 'right' reasons.
Re: Women's Cricket
[info]wormery wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 07:37 pm (UTC)
Come on perve admit it - you only watch women's sport for the tit-fest! Actually, not a bad idea - get all women playing sport to do so naked!!! Now that would get an audience. And the lesbians would be happy too no doubt...
Rer: Women's Cricket
[info]kodak321 wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 07:55 pm (UTC)
I take my perversion very seriously...it took years of practice. I aim for perfection. I have the certificate. I'm very proud. Just need a couple of decent birds to work on.
Unfair judgement
[info]amarta78 wrote:
Tuesday, 24 March 2009 at 11:22 pm (UTC)
i think this is an unfair judgement of women's cricket...they are just starting out..give them some time...see if they can come up to the level of men's cricket...physical sports is just not about power...for example tennis is an intensely physical sport where women are at par with men in terms of ttracting large crowds..even a few years back women's tennis was subtle like steffi and sabatini but now there are lots of powerful women playing power tennis like the williams sisters, ana ivanovic etc and they are just as entertaining....let's take another example ..track and field..here also there lots of power women now and they are at par with me..in 100 m, men have world record of 9.6 while women are just a second behind at 10.7...so i beleive if we encourage more women's cricket then surely one day it would come up at par or just one notch lower to men's cricket....for this world to move forward smoothly, we can't ignore one half of the population..we have encourage them, make them stronger and ultimately they will help us when we need help.
Should any women's sport be televised?
[info]a_birch wrote:
Wednesday, 25 March 2009 at 02:06 pm (UTC)
This article states that we should not watch women's cricket because it is not as fast as men's and thus the quality is not as high. I agree. But by this rationale would we actually watch any women's sport? As far as I am aware the only sport in which the Women's world record is better than the Men's is Free-diving! Just think of the sporting spectacles that we would have missed, not to mention the sportswomen who would never have gained the recognition and fame they deserve. Paula Radcliffe, Serena Williams and Flo Jo Joiner would all have been floundering also-rans in the anonymous middle ranks of their sports.

As amateurs, and as women, the England women's cricket team have to struggle in a way that is totally absent from top-level men's sport. Attempting to juggle careers and families with international tour schedules.

People don't watch sport just to see men perform at the top of their game; it takes more than just skill to create great sporting stories. Passion, commitment and competition are really what drives sport.

Give me Paula Radcliffe exhausted on the side of a road over a Cristiano Ronaldo whinging at the Premiership referees any day.

Sorry Dominic, you've lost me.
[info]chriscross2009 wrote:
Wednesday, 25 March 2009 at 11:09 pm (UTC)
it is patently obvious that Mr. Lawson's experience with women's cricket is extremely limited. I feel ashamed to say that in Australia we do not take it as seriously as we should. It is played widely around the world and the English cricket team's well-deserved victory over the Kiwis makes them number one in the world. Mighty Australia was humbled along the way and even lost in the playoff for third place. One of the joys of my life was watching women's cricket before it became so popular and on a lazy Saturday afternoon, I watched as a young lady in her mid-20s sent down 10 consecutive overs of highly skillful left arm spin, using flight, drift and turn to great advantage. In those days, female fast bowlers were pretty pedestrian not today. Perhaps Mr. Lawson should wear some brown trousers and face the England opening attack in the nets - it would be a humbling experience.

The big tragedy of women's cricket is the lack of coverage, especially on TV. At least Australian women have done something of which the men's team is manifestly incapable, namely, it has played the game in true sporting tradition and I rejoice in that having been exponentially disappointed by the arrogance of the so-called elite of the men's game.

As for women not being able to bowl at 90 mph, how many men can? I would also challenge Mr. Lawson to take a look at women's softball. For years, I labored under the misapprehension that this was a sport fit only for women. Then a friend of mine invited me to see her daughter play in the finals of a combined school's competition. The speed of the pitcher was absolutely frightening and as for the skills of the schoolgirls, I would go so far as to say that they were extraordinarily athletic. The same may be said of women's cricket. It would appear from some of the comments that you got more coverage on UK TV than we did in Australia, where it was basically treated as something inferior and not worthy of TV coverage. I have long argued for TV coverage of such matches as the recent series and remain hopeful that one day, the women's game will grace our screens, devoid of tantrums, ridiculous colored clothing and crass commentary. Mr. Lawson, I am 67, male and the last time I checked, I still had all my tiles on the roof. It is time for you to take your spectacles off and get out there and watch some cricket, men's and women's this summer. With any luck England will regain the Ashes and hopefully, a measure of dignity.
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[info]cc0303 wrote:
Sunday, 29 March 2009 at 07:31 pm (UTC)
It is always upsetting to see reports about "standards" of women's sports in comparison to men especially when they are clearly missing the key issues at hand. Our female cricketers are amateurs, they get paid pittance in return for their contracts (which by the way are to encourage others to get involved in the game) as they then allow them to do all the training they need to do in order to compete with the best in the world. Not only that, the "men" are paid ridiculous sums just to walk out on the pitch and sometimes score very little and bowl incredibly badly (please see West Indies tour 2009 - not a whole heap to shout about there). Girls are up against it from the word go when it comes to sport because people can't appreciate touch, finesse and pure talent. Just because the ball isn't being propelled at 90mph doesn't mean it wasn't exciting, well not to those who appreciate the skill involved in cricket. I am proud to be a female sportswoman and proud to know a few of the women cricketers who have achieved something unbelievable. Thank heavens for Sky and their "meagre" coverage otherwise I wouldn't have witnessed one of the greatest moments in one of my friend's life as well as witnessing some incredibly intelligent and gutsy performances in a sport that demands commitment, drive and dedication - hats off to the girls, however fast they bowl!
[info]templatesites wrote:
Tuesday, 7 April 2009 at 10:07 am (UTC)
Good article, many thanks for writing.

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