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Ian Birrell: How our politicians failed to stop the rise of the far right

This is a significant moment – the fascists have come in from the cold

A few weeks ago I attended a think-tank lunch held to discuss whether the rise of the left was inevitable in the wake of the banking crisis. After some discussion, Dominic Grieve, the cerebral shadow Justice minister, intervened. "I don't worry about the hard left," he said. "It is the rise of the far right that scares me."

His words appeared prescient yesterday, as we woke to news that Britain is sending two neo-fascists to represent us in Europe, shattering any comfortable illusions about the innate tolerance of the British people. In the privacy of the voting booths, nearly one million people put their cross besides the name of an extreme-right party headed by a man once convicted for inciting racial hatred.

We should not underestimate the significance of this moment. Oswald Mosley, for all his oratorical fervour, was a flop at the polls with both his New Party and the British Union of Fascists. The National Front caused shockwaves in the early Seventies when it managed to save its deposit in a by-election; after that, it was downhill all the way. And the BNP used to be such an irrelevance that only 35,000 people voted for it in the 1997 general election, when there was twice last week's turnout.

And now this: the moment when the fascists came in from the cold. When the voters in Yorkshire and Humber plumped for a man who had joined the National Socialist Movement, whose members once went around burning synagogues in Britain. And when the voters of the north-west returned a man found guilty over Holocaust denial. These are the people who will now jump on the gravy train to Strasbourg, no doubt taking all the allowances possible to promulgate their bone-headed propaganda.

The big question, of course, is what changed? Britain has prided itself on its political moderation, which evolved over centuries in the land that gave birth to modern parliamentary democracy. So why have some people become so alienated by the political process that they have turned to such extremists?

There is little doubt that the BNP under Griffin has smartened up its act. This is not just in appearances, although the counts had their share of sweating skinheads squeezed into their three-piece suits, clutching pints of beer (Bulldog or Spitfire, presumably, rather than a nasty European lager). Crude racist talk has been buried, in public at least, replaced with street-level campaigning on highly localised issues. And it has positioned itself as the anti-politics party, presenting itself as outside "the system" and picking up tricks from the mainstream right in America and the far right in Europe, especially France.

In communities where there are deep concerns at the impact of globalisation, of fast social change and of the recession, the BNP has sown seeds of doubt over conventional politics, fertilising them with fear and falsehoods. And in the wake of the expenses scandal and the Labour meltdown, these seeds blossomed into electoral success.

For all this, it remains puzzling that so many Britons would turn to an avowedly racist party. There are no wards that could be called ghettos here. We have one of the highest rates of mixed-race marriage in the world, surely the ultimate sign of racial tolerance. And popular culture shows an ease with multi-culturalism – indeed, the winner of the most recent series of Britain's Got Talent was a mixed-race dance group called Diversity.

Some would argue that the reason is simple: there is too much immigration, upsetting the delicate balance of society, and our politicians talk too little about a core concern. They are wrong. The problem is not that there has been too much discussion, but that it is unashamedly hostile to newcomers. Just as it is little wonder support for the European Union is wilting when it is never publicly defended, so it is little surprise that a racist party can rise when there seems to be only hostility to immigrants and asylum-seekers.

By talking of schools being "swamped" by immigrants, or demanding "British jobs for British workers", or even by constantly trying to define "Britishness", politicians like David Blunkett and Gordon Brown – in tandem with elements of the populist press, the net and radio talkshows – have coarsened the public discourse. Instead of cool discussion of an incendiary issue, such loose talk has sanctioned race-based politics, contributing to a situation in which politicans are terrified of tackling urban myths on issues such as housing and education.

The result is that, on the same day as Britain elected two racist MEPs, a revelatory report was published by the Red Cross, which showed how skewed British perceptions are on asylum-seekers. It revealed, for example, that people believed the UK is home to one in four of the world's asylum-seekers; the true figure is about one in 33. In such a climate, is it any wonder that sections of a confused electorate, angry with its politicians, turn to a party based on race hatred?

i.birrell@independent.co.uk

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The rise of the far right
[info]imperfidious wrote:
Monday, 8 June 2009 at 11:31 pm (UTC)
Well said!

The far right is on the rise again. It reveals an underlying malaise in our society, a sign that we're getting things wrong, and in a big way. Mussolini, Hitler, Franco and their ilk were ridiculed and derided before they swept away their detractors in a whirlwind of hate and death. It is the worst kind of arrogance to think Griffin & Co are capable of any less than their infamous predecessors. The BNP have slipped a velvet glove over their iron fist. They dress their bigotry in robes respectable enough to fool the frightened and the resentful. History persuades me that while one minute the fascists can be dismissed as a bad joke, just give them half a chance and before you know it they're building gas chambers and rounding up undesirables.

This is too important for partisan political point scoring. It is the responsibility of our elected officials to defend our democracy from the threat posed by these hate filled bigots. It falls to the rest of us to fight them as we can.
Re: The rise of the far right
[info]collin_brown wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 11:54 am (UTC)
Hate-filled bigoted left-wing / fascist / racist / globalists - like yourself you mean.

The BNP are a Nationalist-Socialist party. They advocate the re-nationalisation of British transport and the return of British manufacturing. In other words, the BNP are a protectionist party. Protecting England from being over run by godless swine who lie through their teeth to atchieve their Marxist agenda.

You lefties are commies. As far as I'm concerned, you can all take a long jump of a short pier.

Below you'll see the real threat to Britain which has nothing to do with the BNP!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNEIprfXXqU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo7GOsXpDtQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSW2sRKgLwo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DQ8iNjhiig&feature=related
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the far right
[info]chinmonkeymetal wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 12:56 am (UTC)
It should be the rise of the far left. The bnp got most of their votes from former labour voters. It was the fault of nulabour for not listening to the british working people who live in poor northern towns. and being the victims of mass immigration. Which they never voted for in the first place. They feel like second class citizens in their own country. Its 0k if the trendie lefties and rich tories label these people as racist facists. They dont live within 50 miles of this problem. The working class are not daft. At last they can see for themselves the result of multiculturelism and pc. No I am not a member of the BNP. But can understand the anger that drives ordinary level headed people to vote for them. Its no good bleating. Nulabour created the rise of the BNP through being arrogant and not listening.
Re: the far right
[info]colinru wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 12:39 pm (UTC)
Well Said!
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What a load of bollox
[info]berewic wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 02:07 am (UTC)
Bring the debate down to the level of irrelevance. Lets just talk about fascists, far right and all the other irrelevant crap associated with media lies regarding the BNP.
Why should we talk about the important issues like rebuilding our industry base?
Why should we talk about things like health provision for all?
Why should we talk about capitalism and poverty?
Why should we worry about war criminals running the country?

Let's not discuss the lies from the three main parties, lets just talk about shyte instead.
Re: What a load of bollox
[info]growtruth wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 07:44 pm (UTC)
well said
a matter of economics
[info]whoamishanghai wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 02:34 am (UTC)
The fact is that there are not enough houses, jobs, benefits and social welfare - education, healthcare - to go around, and this will only get worse as the economy seizes up.

But whilst there are indeed many unproductive foreigners in Britain today, think about how many unproductive Brits there are. We hear stories of three generations of families who have never worked; living only on benefits. So for every 'sponging foreigner' (yes I too get angry when I hear these cases) their is more than likely two or more 'sponging Brits'. Anyone who has ever held a part-time job in Tesco or other retail unit can testify the the spread of the great British underclass - not the poor working classes who have lost their jobs and are isolated in communities further north than the Watford gap - but to those who see doing nothing in life except serving themselves as a career choice, one that the government is quite happy to support.

So whilst the BNP and other extremist groups are right to raise this issue of lack of services, they should look at the contribution of their own 'elements' before blanket-targetting immigrants. Who cleans the streets, who staffs the hospitals, late night kebab shops, off licenses and vegetable farms - immigrants. But sadly, until the government acknowledges the failings in the welfare states (not of all of it) and takes politically unpopular measures to get people back into work, foreigners like my parents and wife will be continued victims of a skewed debate.

Re: a matter of economics
[info]growtruth wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 08:02 pm (UTC)
rather uninformed oppinion by a racist biggot - "sponging Brits" - blar blar blar, yes the old story about sponging low life, scummy (read "working class") Brits being the cause of all our problems. Thank God for the foreign workers who leave their third and second world countries to crumblem and come to work here undermining decades, no centuries of worker rights and fair wages.

It is people who point the finger at the "scummy" Brits, who are the racists. I know dozens of such people in person. They are inverse racists. They claim the moral high ground, they hate the working class, they believe they work hard, but fail to see how others struggle.

It's easy to work for next to nothing went you are 25 years old, single, live in shared accomodation, have no children to support or family to feed!!! But then that's what our open border policy is all about. Lets have the reality check so called Independent just another MSM paper owned by elete billionaries who are nothing about people, here or anywhere else, other than what lines their pockets!

And no I'm not a BNP supporter but I do find it incredible that people who moralise about the BNP seem to live in some kind of paralell universe from the rest of us! Look at the War on Terror - a terror war by any other name, a war against a tactic rather than a defined enemy, a war for oil and global domination, via illegal invasions and fake intelliegence. It begs belief that what we're seeing today goes on unchecked because it can only end one way. The check and ballances are going people. The security legislation is in place and more of it on the way. Go on talking about the BNP, they are an irrelivance people are protest voting (at least the ones who still think there is a point - WAKE UP PLEASE WAKE UP. The real extremists are in power, they have all the money, they pull all the strings, the main stream parties are just different shades of the same colour. They choose our leaders, not the people. It's out of control guys the media was intended to help keep them in check!

But go on banging on about the "low life" Brits who vote BNP - inverse rasist biggots. Stop telling people how to vote and start exposing the real corruption that lies at the heart of international capitalism run amuck. Look at the drug companies, look at the banks, look at the international businessmen and how they buy power and influence. You know, I know, most people reading this knows it. WRITE ABOUT IT! Before we all tune out and get our news from elsewhere!
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The Rise of The Far Right
[info]horomako7 wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 03:10 am (UTC)
Come on ..............is it any wonder,when along with America your Government has demonised Muslim people,invaded their countries causing untold misery and death.
The indifference to the suffering of peoples in Africa where you only intervene if there is mineral or oil
and you wonder why a far right racist party scores in the election.
They don't have to look far for role models and you reap what you sow.
[info]girigirihanasu wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 04:06 am (UTC)
The British *are* indeed racially and culturally tolerant. Of course they are; Britain is already a richly diverse society. This all works fine if 1)diffent communities are happy to regard themselves British, even if (especially if?) it's British qualified by their roots and 2) they're happy to abide by the same laws as everybody else. I truly believe the advent of Sharia Law in parts of Britain, and the associated mania for protecting Islam from any criticism, however justified.has seriously upset this equilibrium. We have communities now where it's legal to discriminate against women; where domestic violence can be dealt with incredibly leniently in 'religious' courts, and where women, victims of forced-marriages, homosexuals and others who are oppressed by Islam now have no recourse to impartial British law, but instead are forced by their communities to accept the judgments of clerics operating under a 1400 year old set of morals. The 'liberal left' (I class myself as liberal) has, astonishingly, been paving the way for these draconian, sexist, homophobic and religiously intolerant attitudes to become the basis for legally binding verdicts in the UK. It's this potential loss of the enlightened freedoms we've all struggled so long to attain which has forced voters to look for politicians who might address these issues. Unfortunately, even the Tories are infected with illogical political correctness to the point where any justifed criticism of Islam's excesses is regard as some form of 'racism' (even though Islam isn't a race.) It's truly sad that the only party with the courage address these issues in the BNP. I would never join the BNP, if only because it appears to operate a 'whites only' membership scheme, which is ludicrous and vile. But I wish some mainstream politicians, who are not racist, xenophobic or otherwise inflicted, but rather who have the courage to speak some common sense, would come to the fore. *That's* the way to stop and BNP and at the same time preserve our wonderfully diverse culture.
[info]colinru wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 12:41 pm (UTC)
Agreed.
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Free speech and democracy - stop smearing and engage!
[info]mannygoldstein wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 04:12 am (UTC)
Our politicians did not only fail to stop the rise of the far right, they actually caused the rise of the far right.

To put matters in context, fascism rose in Europe in the 1930's after the events of the First World War and the Great Depression. The current rise of the right has taken place in the UK after a decade of unprecedented economic prosperity from 1997 and while a supposed progressive socialist party was in office with three successive electoral victories and massive majorities that would have allowed real legislation past that could have transformed society.

And if it is correct to assume that the majority of those who voted BNP were the white working-class who have traditionally been considered Labour voters, what made over a million of this group reject the Labour Party?

Not sophisticated political argument, or the recent activity in the rarified atmosphere of Westminster village, but their experiences in the real world that they encounter every day. These people have been failed by the Labour Party and have now exercised their democratic right to vote for an alternative.

And what has been their reward? To be both pilloried and patronised by the political class for making the 'wrong' decision? To be labelled as racists and told that they have been stupid enough to vote for a bunch of thugs?

Just as the Fourth Estate failed to see the economic crisis coming, so they failed to see the political crisis that arose from the expenses scandal. They are now in the process of failing, in the most abject manner, to report, analyse and account for the rise of the right in British politics.

THe BNP are running rings around the mainstream parties and their strategists have already moved the debate on from immigration. The journalists, like old generals, are fitting the last was all over again by focussing on immigration when the BNP have already switched topic onto corruption.

This is a very astute move that places the mainstream parties and their client media in a difficult position as they were complicit in the expenses scandal but the BNP now have much bigger targets in their sights. They are going to expose the links between politicians, civil servants, NHS management, senior police officers, the top brass of the military and big business. They will reveal how many of these people, responsible for public money in the awarding and monitoring of contracts worth billions of pounds, are able to retire on generous pensions and then take up lucrative positions or consultancies with the very companies they were involved with while in their previous jobs!

This change of tactics by the BNP will outflank their opponents while the attacks on their followers as ignorant racists will only engender greater loyalty and support. The BNP are fully aware they will not obtain an overall majority, they seek only sufficient political strength to hold the balance of power in a hung parliament.

That is the process taking place right now and the possible outcome is a divided political environment will enable a minority party access to power out of all proportion to their actual numbers.
Re: Free speech and democracy - stop smearing and engage!
[info]colinru wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 12:48 pm (UTC)
I agree with your post but point out that Hitler did not have a majority in the Reichstag when he first came to power (neither did Labour have a majority of the votes at the last 3 Elections). You do not need to have a majority of the electorate "on-side" to gain power as long as your support is more "solid" than the competition.

The Polity and Media (aided by the "anti-fascists" who post here) are making a serious mistake by slagging off The BNP instead of addressing their Policies and the concerns of those who voted BNP!
Seriously people...
[info]carl_eric wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 04:45 am (UTC)
I have been reading The Guardian and The Independent for a few years now, and the news I have read from these newspapers and from others (not from England) about the UK has made me see that your country (I am from Canada) is now run in political correctness extremism (a policewoman who refuses to shake the hands with the police chief, because it is against her religion, deporting non-citizen criminals now seems impossible, religious courts, "positive" discrimination where the WASPs feel like second class citizens) . No wonder people vote for the for fat-right parties to make the main parties wake up a little bit! But like everywhere else, as long as the MEDIA and the main parties have not heard the message, the far-right will continue to grow. Sad, but true...
Re: Seriously people...
[info]richardm20 wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 07:15 am (UTC)
And that my friend is only the half of it! They take more notice of the Muslim Council of Britian than they do their own citizens. The Muslim Council of Britian has VERY successfully shut down the ability of people to criticise ANY aspect of this backward medeival philosophy. They have, through political and actual intimidation, now "trained" people to keep their mouths shut about the creeping Islamification of the UK and Europe. But the tide is turing. Politicians from the main parties cannot spin their way out of this one.
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[info]richardm20 wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 05:01 am (UTC)
The rise of the BNP has been caused entirely by the contempt politicians have had for the concerns of ordinary people. For years people have been trying desperately to raise concerns about massive amounts of immigration and it consequent effects on the very fabric of our society. Good people have been branded as rasists (and worse) by Labour and their trendy left followers, simply because they have been concerned about the seismic effects that Labours immigration policy has had on our communities. One only has to walk down the street to see the sheer magnitude of the effects that Labours unfettered immigration policies have yielded. Untold hundreds of thousands of immigrants have been let into our contry by Labour, many of whom are unskilled, poor (unable to support even themselves, let alone contribute to the economy), unhealthy (no medicals are required to immigrate to the UK and are therefore a burden on the NHS) and have religious convictions which are incompatible with modern society. these people have been let into our borders without even the most cursory of checks. They are not even required to speak English (unlike immigrants to Australia and New Zealand).

Labour has FAILED even to deport FAILED asylum seakers.
Labout has FAILED to accept the need for any immigration control whatsoever.
Labour has FAILED to deport criminals that have committed serious crimes such as murder of UK citizens. Remember those damning statistic published 2 years ago about this very matter?
Labour has FAILED to develop an immigration policy that benefits the citizens of the UK.
Labour has FAILED to insist that immigrant integrate into our way of life - and now we are seeing the results of that little experiment, arn't we!

But most of all Labour has FAILED - no REFUSED - to listen to the repeated calls from the people to halt unfettered immigration. Instead it chose to denigrate those people who were raising the concerns. Well they now have their answer. Someone IS listening and it is the BNP. All of us have New Labour to thank for THAT little gem.

NOTE LABOUR AND CONSERVATIVE POLITICIANS - deal with peoples concerns about immigration or the BNP will continue to succeed. For too long, from your crystal towers, you have ignored british people - and now you have seen the result.

The British people demand and end to immigration by means of arranged marriages (an outmoded primitive religious custom). They demand an END to all immigration from people who are unskilled or unqualified or whose professions are not required from an economic perspective. They demand that all immigrants have a medical exam and if they are unhealthy their residency refused on the grounds of public cost.

The left-leaning media have treated the BNP appallingly - most noticeably the treatment of their leader by Dimbleby on the TV. And before the carping whining bleating lefties start on their usual path of denigrating people who have opinions like this - NOT I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THE BNP NOR WOULD I EVER VOTE FOR THEM. GOT IT! I am just echoing the concerns of the huge majority of British people abouit the seismic changes brought about by unfettered immigration into the UK - and the sickening behaviour of politicians when people raise their legitimate concerns.
[info]voodoojedizin wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 05:58 pm (UTC)
Immigration, minorities and Muslims are not this country's problem.

This country's problems lie in the corrupt government and the people politicians you have been electing.

Blaming of the other guy is an easy way, to not confront the problems. You do not live in a democratic society you have no control over your government and the policies they make. The Muslims didn't do that immigration didn't do that you did that. You allowed your government to become what it is today.
the fascists have come in from the cold..........
[info]xtiml wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 05:06 am (UTC)
obviously you do not know what fascism is.perhaps I should define it for you. "Fascism is government for corporations" period america is a fascist nation even having the symbol of it behind the congressional speakers podium in view for all to see. Does britain pass laws beneficial to corporations and detrimental to the people? why of course it does. so does amelika. so does every damn country in tarnation.where ya been? fascism has nothing to do with right wing left wing black booted italians making the trains run on time. i have noticed that the british people are only slightly less aware and stupider than the american people. maybe because they are under more strenuos mind attacks and conditioning by their government over a longer more severe period of time.
The white working class voice
[info]jimmysdodgyknee wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 05:29 am (UTC)
Finally the White working class have a voice, new labour are just a bunch of Tories, middle and upper class, they tell us what we can say, what we can do and what we have to think, and they've taken white working class votes for granted and left us without a voice for long enough, What the hell do they know about living with the tidal wave of foreigners comming here to live with us, they don't live with them, it's the working class that live with them. I come from Hull, during the floods we were left to rot while Gordon Brown and new labour chased votes in Gloucester. We had a big, very important caravan industry, not any more they've all gone under, why didn't the goverment help us. Mainstream politicians have ignored, and swept working class opinion under the carpet for too long, these are the reasons why the working class up in the north of England voted BNP during the Euro elections.I personally voted English Dem's but seriously considered BNP, next time I may not be as agreeable, who knows, until the main stream start listening to us, understanding us and helping us, more votes will go the way of Nick Griffin.

I dont suppose this white working class opinion will stay here for long, if the BBC are anything to go by.
The BNP are easy to stop, just stop immigration
[info]rickraider wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 05:50 am (UTC)
If you want to stop the BNP then just stop immigration, stop arranged marriages and throw out the illegal immigrants. The BNP would not exist if these reasonable measures were put through. As long as politicians continue to ignore the concerns of the indigenous population over this effective colonisation and hijacking of our culture then people will vote for the BNP.
Far Far Away on the Right
[info]over325one wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 05:57 am (UTC)
The far right only succeed because of the far left who have turned out to be absolutely useless.
Re: Far Far Away on the Right
[info]voodoojedizin wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 06:02 pm (UTC)
Excuse me but there has never been a far left government in power.

Center right are the kind of governments that have been in power, check your history or either learn what the differences are.


[info]mitaman wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 05:58 am (UTC)
You have got to hand it to the Labour Party, their lack of policy, mentioned already in the blogs has led to all of this.

It is a sad day that a fascist organisation has been voted in through the absolute desperation of the voting British public. I do not blame the British, they have finally had enough, why they are not rioting in the streets is beyond me.

I am British, well educated and angry. My own personal family and financial situation are fine, no problems. But, I saw lawlessness, lack of respect, lazy people being handed out freebies left right and centre. This country that I love is in a mess, and the politicians are merely a small reflection.
"it scares me" - with good cause, from the horse's mouth, a high ranking blatcherist quisling
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 05:59 am (UTC)
Two BNP MEPs are two warning shots from Real Labour Britain, across the bows of all quisling blatcherist snouts and fellow travellers , not only those still being shaken out of government.
http://bnp.org.uk/2009/06/bnptv-interviews-nick-griffin-mep/
HOw about the fascist, racist and sexist Islamists! Blame them & their western hard-left supporters!
[info]nooraza wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 06:03 am (UTC)
Don't blame Mr. Wilders! It's understandable he was trying to save the great Western Enlightenment values that have saved humanity globally, especially women, girls and gays, from increasing medievally fascist and homogenous Arabic-centric Islamist ideological conquest. It's the arrogant hard left that is actually the root of the problem; they are stuck in bygone dogmatic ideology that is full of machosm and have no respect historical dynamics. Due to them supporting blindly Islamists, despite that such Islamist ideology will never fundamentally recognize full liberation and equality for women. girls, gays, non-Islamic communities, converts/apostates from Islam and so on; have caused such Enlightenment values to be degraded bit by bit! There have been countless times, where my right as a feminist, even when I was a left and Atheist myself, seeking equality and liberation for women and girls, especially for medievally iron-chained Muslim women/girls (this abuse is even happening in the west - imagine that!), have been laughed at and ridiculed to the extreme hypocrisy by these macho hard left (really, how many women at the top of the decision-making posts?)!
Re: HOw about the fascist, racist and sexist Islamists! Blame them & their western hard-left support
[info]richardm20 wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 06:40 am (UTC)
Absolutely right Nooraza. Let the Independent talk about the Islamic Facism that is, slice by painful slice, taking away freedom of speech and promoting a medieval ideology that has no place in a democracy. A recent poll of British Muslims found that ZERO (YES ZERO!) percent agreed that gay people should not be allowed to live as they chose. A quantity of ZERO is almost unheard of in surveys - but not in this case - what a surprise - how very tolerant of them! So the Independent ought to be talking about Islamic Facism before they criticise the BNP - at least the BNP do not behead people or plant bombs on public transport.

If ANYONE is to blame for the rise of the BNP and other right-wing parties it is the left-wing parties and their acolytes who have chosen to ignore the wishes of their people FOR MANY LONG YEARS. And all this time we have seen our society changed and eroded by massive amounts of unfettered immigration. Immigrants should be welcome in Europe IF they have the right mix of skills or business expertise - immigration policy should be colour-blind. Australia, for example, only cares about the quality and health of the immigration applicant not where they come from - this is the right approach. Just look at the numbers of unskilled people - including many Muslims, who are flooding into the country under the archaic and medieval practice of ARRANGED MARRIAGES. If the politicians do not listen to peoples concerns about radical Islamisation of Europe and of immigration in general they will certainly pay the price for their lack of vision. If the mainstream political parties do not listen then the BNP and the extreme right WILL listen. British Labour = an unmitigated failure.
POLITICIANS TAKE NOTE - SOMEONE IS LISTENING
[info]richardm20 wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 06:23 am (UTC)
The rise of the BNP has been caused entirely by the contempt politicians have had for the concerns of ordinary people. For years people have been trying desperately to raise concerns about massive amounts of immigration and it consequent effects on the very fabric of our society. Good people have been branded as rasists (and worse) by Labour and their trendy left followers, simply because they have been concerned about the seismic effects that Labours immigration policy has had on our communities. One only has to walk down the street to see the sheer magnitude of the effects that Labours unfettered immigration policies have yielded. Untold hundreds of thousands of immigrants have been let into our contry by Labour, many of whom are unskilled, poor (unable to support even themselves, let alone contribute to the economy), unhealthy (no medicals are required to immigrate to the UK and are therefore a burden on the NHS) and have religious convictions which are incompatible with modern society. these people have been let into our borders without even the most cursory of checks. They are not even required to speak English (unlike immigrants to Australia and New Zealand).

Labour has FAILED even to deport FAILED asylum seakers.
Labout has FAILED to accept the need for any immigration control whatsoever.
Labour has FAILED to deport criminals that have committed serious crimes such as murder of UK citizens. Remember those damning statistic published 2 years ago about this very matter?
Labour has FAILED to develop an immigration policy that benefits the citizens of the UK.
Labour has FAILED to insist that immigrant integrate into our way of life - and now we are seeing the results of that little experiment, arn't we!

But most of all Labour has FAILED - no REFUSED - to listen to the repeated calls from the people to halt unfettered immigration. Instead it chose to denigrate those people who were raising the concerns. Well they now have their answer. Someone IS listening and it is the BNP. All of us have New Labour to thank for THAT little gem.

NOTE LABOUR AND CONSERVATIVE POLITICIANS - deal with peoples concerns about immigration or the BNP will continue to succeed. For too long, from your crystal towers, you have ignored british people - and now you have seen the result.

The British people demand and end to immigration by means of arranged marriages (an outmoded primitive religious custom). They demand an END to all immigration from people who are unskilled or unqualified or whose professions are not required from an economic perspective. They demand that all immigrants have a medical exam and if they are unhealthy their residency refused on the grounds of public cost.

The left-leaning media have treated the BNP appallingly - most noticeably the treatment of their leader by Dimbleby on the TV. And before the carping whining bleating lefties start on their usual path of denigrating people who have opinions like this - NOT I AM NOT A MEMBER OF THE BNP NOR WOULD I EVER VOTE FOR THEM. GOT IT! I am just echoing the concerns of the huge majority of British people abouit the seismic changes brought about by unfettered immigration into the UK - and the sickening behaviour of politicians when people raise their legitimate concerns.
Re: POLITICIANS TAKE NOTE - SOMEONE IS LISTENING
[info]chinmonkeymetal wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 08:12 am (UTC)
I notice that the majority of people that write opinions in the guardian and the independent think like we do. I am a pensioner and as a kid I saw my first black man waiting for a bus. I went up to him to ask him the time to see what he sounded like. He replied in perfect English which disappointed me. I was expecting swahili or something. Now in my lifetime we are over run by people with backward thinking religion's and wishing that we could turn the clock back to better times. The politicians that we have have got tunnel vision and dont listen to the people. Good luck keep writing.
BNP
[info]oomigoolies wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 06:26 am (UTC)
That they have achieved even this small success is due entirely to the past twelve years of immigration chaos by Labour.

Without the justifiable fears created by this shambles the BNP wouldn't retain their deposits.
what planet do you live on?
[info]lush_laroo wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 06:43 am (UTC)
Here is just one of those umpteen articles that we we will get denouncing the BNP and its 1m voters.
You can cover up the impact that unrestricted immigration has had on our communities but just walk around anywhere in London where I live and you will see the stark reality of our communities being swamped yes SWAMPED by masses of Africans Muslims East Europeans,Iraqi's Iranians and a hodge-pot from all around the world.
This is not racist to say but the blunt truth, I do not like it I abhor what has happened in the city of my birth, fuelled by all major parties especially the hated New Labour and the Scottish Mafia who are successfully destroying English culture and identity, revenge for Culloden.
You cannot just whine on about racism or neo Nazism about how much you hate the BNP but just like 1 million other voters it just reinforces my view you are as alienated from popular opinion as the disgusting politicians that have allowed our once settled and proud nation dissolve into a 3rd world country, practically impossible to govern by incompetent fiddling lying politicans by the sheer weight of diverse immigrants here seemingly in popular opinion to milk the system in welfare, health, housing and education all paid for by suckers who have had no choice or say in allowing the destruction of our once beautiful land.
I am an ex-soldier who has done his bit for this country but I did not vote BNP at the last elections still not comfortable with their history but the more mainstream they get the more popular they get and recruit passionate talented people who think like me then I would vote with gusto for the only party articulating the views of many such as I.
Then you can really start to worry.
Re: what planet do you live on?
[info]richardm20 wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 06:55 am (UTC)
VERY WELL SAID! Now you will get messages from bleating lefties saying that somehow you are imagining all of this. They will try and spin the line that the UK is more difficult to get into than Australia (which everyone knows is absolute tripe!). Your one walk down the street has blown these little lies out of the water!! The left are emplying "Salami Tactics" - Islamification - slice by painful slice!

AGAIN, WELL SAID.
Re: what planet do you live on? - [info]lush_laroo - Wednesday, 10 June 2009 at 07:15 am (UTC) Expand
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The British press that does not allegedly cater to the far right
[info]vm2 wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 07:18 am (UTC)
As someone who has regularly monitored the French press for over a decade, I would say that a large share of the blame in the UK has to do with the under reporting of issues and facts to do with irregular migrants to this country. Ian Birrell is right to point to the astonishing level of ignorance here and the vile poison that spews out from the right-wing press - as well as the government (pick a government, any government in the UK) that jumps on the xenophobic bandwagon with enthusiasm. However, what's missing is the careful, regular and accurate reporting from the non-xenophobic press. As a regular occurrence regular reporting, even allowing for the superiority in that respect that the Independent offers, it is effectively non-existent. There is not a week that goes by in France - at maximum two weeks - where policies that affect migrants, their families, their supporters, their protests, the legislation that effects lives, the rules, regularisation, changes, and so on - is not covered in the mainstream press. Certainly there is a right wing in France. Nobody could deny that. Le Pen and the Front National are evidence enough. Employment discrimination is rife. But France is also a country where the CGT, roughly equivalent to the TUC, can openly demand regularisation of workers whose residence permits are not in order, support striking 'undocumented' workers and actively and effectively get thousands of workers in this situation regularised. Not to say that there aren't many groups of people in Britain who are organised to support migrants and do excellent work. But it is impossible to follow the British press and not be struck by the lack of serious coverage of the law, detention, employment, families, supporters, migrant issues and facts in general.In this particular drama, the British press is, IMHO, one of the most culpable, indeed shameful, elements in the equation.
Tories condemn BNP but its they who are in bed... with the WAFFEN SS... read this...
[info]qflestrin wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 07:38 am (UTC)
That pontificating mortgage fiddler David Cameron, had the effrontery and the politician's brass neck to try to patronise the millions of voters for the BNP, by telling them that it was "a shame"... when his own party of moat drainers and duckhouse diddlers are already allied with a far right party in the EU Parliament, who campaign for the rights of Waffen SS veterans.
But that's alright you see because YOU don't understand these things.

What a piece of work he is, to demand that you put him in charge... provided you vote for whoever he says you can vote for.
And this is different to Zanu PF Liebour?!!
How?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/elections/article6455650.ece

"Latvia's For Fatherland and Freedom (known for its support of the country's Waffen SS veterans) set to join British Conservative MEPs in a new anti-federalist group."

Like their expenses though, you're not supposed to know this.
a gentlemen's club "lunch"
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 07:38 am (UTC)
"A few weeks ago I attended a think-tank lunch held to discuss whether the rise of the left was inevitable in the wake of the banking crisis. After some discussion, Dominic Grieve, the cerebral shadow Justice minister, intervened"

Is a noteworthy disclosure of how the banarepublicanised pseudo-democracy is run by stooges of organised economic crime syndicates. A guy who could easily next month or next year, be 'justice' minister of the banana republic, conpsires with other quisling at a gentleman's club "lunch". The objective? Subversion of the rise of Real Labour Britain in revolt against decades of humiliation and degradation by blatcherist governments as enemies of the State and the British people

Two BNP MEPs are two warning shots from Real Labour Britain.
".. Justice minister, intervened. I don't worry about the hard left, he said. It is the rise of the far right that scares me." With good cause master Grieve. http://tv.bnp.org.uk/
dont blame the politicians blame tne right wing media like talksport and the sun paper for the bnp!
[info]maradona_2009 wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 08:08 am (UTC)
lets be honest the racist in this country just needed a excuse to vote bnp and they got it and now claim it was a protest vote what a joke that is the biggest recruiting tool for the bnp voters has been all the propaganda and spin in media organisations like the sun paper and talksport its the right wing media who are to blame
Re: dont blame the politicians blame tne right wing media like talksport and the sun paper for the b
[info]chinmonkeymetal wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 08:22 am (UTC)
are you wired up correctly?
BNP win a visctory of democracy over the elite
[info]ppinter wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 08:50 am (UTC)
The waves of hysteria hate bigotry and contempt for BNP and the 1m who voted for them by the media and political class highlights an arrogant well paid elite who believe the peasants should shut up and suffer in silence while their betters decide what is good for them. They would like to ban BNP and all small parties to preerve their power over the people but havnt got the guts to do so. Much thuggish "antifascist " talk of "confront" ( violence?) hardly any of " listen and meaningfully address concerns".

An alternative view is that BNP winning seats should be hailed as democracy working well. It shows that the indigenous who have have suffered from New Labour marginalisation, documented racial discrimination and ignoring of their concerns ( eg mass uncontrolled immigration) (whilst other parties turn a blind eye) have an electoral protest route to shock and damage the political eltite and force them to listen.

Instead of ludicrous attempts to portray BNP as a world threat fascist party plotting to invade and dominate Poland it would be more productive to view it as an indigenous rights movement .... something that the government would be financing and fawning over if it was black.
Re: BNP win a visctory of democracy over the elite
[info]voodoojedizin wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 06:11 pm (UTC)
Try looking up the definition of democracy I don't think you'll see anything the BNP stands for in that definition.

You are blaming the wrong people.
[info]gloops wrote:
Tuesday, 9 June 2009 at 09:10 am (UTC)
"Some would argue that the reason is simple: there is too much immigration"

And they're right. The author of this piece is in denial, as usual. I didn't vote BNP, I voted Green because I know that the size of population we have in the UK won't be sustainable when we reach peak oil (if we haven't already). We just won't be able to feed it, water it and provide it with energy. There ARE already school place shortages, hospital shortages, housing shortages and predicted imminent water and energy deficits. Black, white, pink, blue; it doesn't matter. There are just TOO MANY PEOPLE in the UK (in the world actually, but you have to start somewhere).

There's also the social problems rapid mass immigration brings. There are cultural incompatibilities - e.g the anti-troop demonstration in Luton, and its little reported counter march by predominantly white people. My mother, an old liberal feminist, hates to see women wearing a burka (something that would have been an exotic rarity 15 years ago).

'Diversity' may have won a talent show, but the reality is Britain is becoming increasingly Balkanised, especially in the North. Wild SS storm troopers couldn't drag me to vote BNP, but I understand why some do. Over 65% think immigration is too high, but the main parties won't touch it (the CBI likes cheap labour).

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