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Matthew Norman: Oh Carol – you just don't get it

Ignorance is no defence and those who defend her only show their own ignorance

Her mother saw nothing intrinsically wrong with the apartheid regime of which her father was a trenchant admirer in private, and her twin brother helped to prepare a coup d'etat on another African nation from behind the gates of a Cape Town home serviced by black people housed in tiny corrugated iron shacks in the garden. Given this thermonuclear family's credentials, there may be small irony in Carol, always until now the Good Thatcher, being the one to come a cropper over race.

Exactly what this overgrown Labrador puppy of a woman said in the green room after BBC1's The One Show last Thursday while chatting with its magnificent presenter Adrian Chiles, the glorious Jo Brand and others is disputed, and speculating about the tennis player's identity has a whiff of decomposing red herring. But when Carol, well known for sharing her late sire's fondness for a tincture, opined that Roger Federer would struggle against "that golliwog" in the Australian Open, she wasn't referring to a white guy.

Some cite Andy Murray, purely as a diversionary tactic, but she must have known he'd been knocked out, and his severe new haircut rules him out anyway. Apart from Federer, in fact, the only men left in the draw by then were Rafael Nadal and Fernando Verdasco. Since neither has a corpuscle of black blood or any other feature that might have lent itself to a jam jar, Carol's grasp of Grand Slam contenders is matched only by her mastery of the prevailing mores of racial nomenclature. Unless, of course, "golliwog" is the code word among those of her age and Sloaney background for any man who hits topspin forehands down the line for a living. Which seems a long shot, if not way over the baseline.

Her bemused reaction to the ensuing melodramatics confirms that she no more comprehends the distasteful nature of the word than does her media claque. If these supporters include a few writers, broadcasters and phone-in callers whose barely repressed rage at the latest evidence that PC wears a straitjacket hints at nightly wet dreams of driving through Stockwell screaming the n-word through a megaphone, the vast majority are, like Carol herself, dense rather than malevolent.

Theirs is a failure of the imagination, the inability to imagine that words spoken without conscious ill intent might be heard with anguish and revulsion. To them, the racist spectrum has the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan at one end and those soundly against lynching at the other, with nothing in between. That vast quagmire of nuance in the middle remains invisible to them, which is why every now and then one of them strolls blithely into the quicksand.

In poor Carol's mind it is all no doubt a load of rot. Foolishness on this scale may verge on the endearing (imagine talking like that with no conception that your audience, being white, might be startled). But ignorance is no defence, and those who defend her reveal nothing but their own ignorance.

Yet if Carol and her voluble clique of what's-wrong-with-golli-anyway-cos-I-had-a-doll-as-a-kid-and-loved-it-to-bits merchants just don't get it, neither does the BBC. It too has not the faintest grasp of nuance, and the dearth is proving catastrophic. No one present in the green room asked for her dismissal, or wanted it. They merely did the sensible thing, informing management that a damaging story might break, as tends to happen when a sleb gives voice to rampant idiocy in a crowded room, and the wise response would have been a stern word from a senior executive.

He or she needed only explain what should need no explanation: that even if the French player Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, whom I assume she had in mind, does bear a passing resemblance to the character on the old Robertson's jar, this is the sort of phrase not be uttered again on BBC soil; and that if she was naively unaware of the implications, she might think of educating herself as to why golli, wog and the two elided are offensive both to black people and to the civilised of any colour.

To sack so good-natured a character for an imbecile remark in a private conversation, and cause her far more distress than she herself could have caused, is in its comparatively trifling way as absurd a misjudgement as the refusal to screen the Gaza appeal. These errors are symptoms of the illness paralysing this last great national institution like some kind of motor neurone disease of the soul. It is the pathological terror of causing offence, and it seems to me far more lethal and pernicious than the casual insensitivity to causing offence of Carol and her ilk.

In her case it was the fury of the liberal left the Beeb acted to avoid, and with Gaza the outrage of the illiberal right, so in this regard we can discern some kind of balance. But then it's hard to think of any group of which the BBC isn't scared to death these days, other of course than that shrinking, squealing band of us who watch its disintegration with breaking hearts. For there's a dreadful, ominous sense, mounting and solidifying up all the time, that the BBC as we knew and adored is dying; that the rank cowardice inherent in these pitiful errors has become so corrosive and endemic among its management that the decline is irreversible.

If we are witnessing an assisted suicide in slow motion, there's no knowing precisely when the Swiss clinic will finish the job, but no doubting when the work began. This systemic loss of nerve stems directly from the specific loss of nerve whose fifth anniversary just passed, when Greg Dyke and Gavyn Davies were meekly bounced into resigning in the immediate aftermath of Lord Hutton publishing his unspeakable report.

That initial surrender to bullying opened the floodgates for so many more that the official BBC flag would now be a white flag on a white background were it not for an internal commission warning Mark Thompson that the design might be interpreted as offensively racist.

If Carol Thatcher is too lazy to outgrow the casual assumptions of her generation and background, those who sacked her are craven apparatchiks who yield to panic before even attempting to distinguish between the daft and the malicious. This isn't exactly a banquet of choice, but of the two I know which I'd rather carried on working in a building to which staff inexplicably still refer, despite the pre-apartheid South African roots, as White City.

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Please book a Plain English Course
[info]christymks wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 02:23 am (UTC)
Matthew,

The strength of your argument would come through if you wrote in a less florid style. Do you really need to make so many references to sources to make your point ? How many of your readers will actually know what you are referring to in every case and do you really need to bring them all on board to make your point ? Your article reads like your trying to impress an examiner with your background reading.

I also note that one of your sources described the BBC as "hideously white" which I would regard as pretty unacceptable.
Re: Please book a Plain English Course
[info]cadwern wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 02:53 pm (UTC)
It is called wit and iteligence chritmks,we can't all speak in moronic texting langiuage like lol.
Re: Please book a Plain English Course - [info]gondorplace - Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 06:02 pm (UTC) Expand
It's perfectly clear to me.
[info]errorgorilla wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 04:23 am (UTC)
Christymks, I'm not sure what particular part of this text you're alluding to. Matthew's article is perfectly easy to understand and the references he makes are within the grasp of anyone with a passing knowledge of recent history. Where does he claim to have relied on information fed by Greg Dyke, the author of the 'hideously white' statement you refer to? I can see no unnamed sources quoted in this piece. Perhaps you should read it again and then comment?
The Great Thatcher Stakes
[info]pokerknave wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 06:20 am (UTC)
She gets her job back - 7/4
She remains sacked - 4/9

Form: a product of a dysfunctional family. Carol will urinate in public, her mother disliked the concept of society, her father liked a drink and her brother is a crook. Will middle England come to the aid of this woman?
Carol and the 'g' word...
[info]ajhse1 wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 06:49 am (UTC)
I think that intent to offend should be main issue here...whilst you can argue that Carol was joshing inappropriately its a bit rich to bring in her families 'view's as evidence of her inate racism....
Also, when Carol and millions of others were growing up the 'g' word was part of every day life and the back of most jam pots which you collected for little badges... This does not make us all racists that must never look back on that part of our lives again without repenting for our 'sins'...can we allude to the 'little jam jar doll/creatures' LJJDC perhaps ?? But, what sticks in the craw is the assumption of how we should deal with this experience - Perhaps there is someone in the tennis world who looks a bit like an image from the back of a jam jar but thats all it is...a bad joke...I have heard worse things on the 'The One show' that show a real lack of imagination and intelligence....
Re: Carol and the 'g' word...
[info]davinia1963 wrote:
Friday, 6 February 2009 at 01:41 am (UTC)
Carol said "Roger Federer would struggle against "that golliwog" in the Australian Open." I seriously doubt that anyone thought she was talking about a jar of jam or a cuddly toy! She was talking about a 'coloured person', so why didn't she simply use words like those rather than a word which has been hijacked by bigots and even before that was just the name of a nursery toy?
Oh please...!
[info]f_r_hopeful wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 07:27 am (UTC)
All that this 'incident' - and many others in many other contexts, for example religion, homosexuality to mention but two - demonstrate is that our over-weening sensitivities and political correctness in all directions has turned us into the most intolerant of cultures. We have no sense of proportion, with the media, political and self-serving special interest groups and individuals taking outraged offense in the most innocuous of circumstances.
Perhaps we need legislation to make it an offense to be disproportionatey intolerant.
As is often said, the problem with common sense is that it's not that common.
Mr Norman's tortuous literary style doesn't help him make his case very well, either.
hear, hear
[info]ottorino wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 12:37 pm (UTC)
A couple of centuries back we were a country populated by people with getup and go. After protracted stays in the US, Australia nad New ealand, I can tell you where those people got up and went. There certainly aren't any left here.

All we're left with is pathetic lilly-livered shrinking violets, whose boldest audacities are seen to be parading mock horror when someone with ten times their guts offends their totally warped PC view of the world.

Why DO you give column inch space to people like this ?
Carol as idiotic as the BBC high management
[info]bill_dixon wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 07:44 am (UTC)
Carol Thatcher makes an idiotic Sloaney remark - gosh, what an amaaazing surprise - and the equally idiotic BBC high management think it's a resignation matter.

Is this Mark Thompson acting on his own again?
Another Thatcher stabbed in the back
[info]mssuperior wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 08:08 am (UTC)
Hurrah!!!!
Re: Another Thatcher stabbed in the back
[info]kuma2000 wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 12:53 pm (UTC)
Yes hurrah!
The weakness of the BBC management
[info]undart wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 08:15 am (UTC)
The day the BBC surrendered its independence and sacked Greg Dyke in such a cowardly fashion, the way that his staff turned out to applauded him in support, spoke volumes for his ability as a manager and also showed the true spirit of the BBC.
If and when the BBC board ever have the guts to empty out Mark Thompson I am pretty sure that we won't witness similar scenes of support.
Having said that I must declare that if I heard somebody referred to in such a fashion by Carol Thatcher, I too would be pretty offended.
Get off the bandwagon
[info]hugofirst wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 08:37 am (UTC)
Oh dear, where do I start. Firstly, you have no evidence that Thatcher referred to "that golliwog". I've read suggestions that she referred to a player with golliwog hair. Secondly, I suspect that commentators who continue to maintain that she meant Tsonga rather than Monfils are trying to protect their PC credentials. Monfils was clearly the subject. Check out a photo on the net. He deliberately brushes his hair up in a high-voltage style, he has that unfortunate bulging eye condition (a la Stephen Merchant) and, yes, he's black. Tsonga could not have been the subject for the simple reason that he does not in any way ressemble a golliwog so the joke would have fallen flat. Monfils does, making the joke mildly amusing. The context is all important. I find it astonishing that Thatcher's colleagues shopped her to the boss. It reflects badly on them if anything. Are all risque jokes now out of bounds, even in private? If I said Stephen Gerrard looks like Tintin with that gay quiff of his, will I be arrested?
Political correctness
[info]moridura wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 09:06 am (UTC)
The term 'political correctness' was invented by those who wished to continue airing their racist, sexist and homophobic predjudices freely. In my lifetime I have watched the this contemptible use of language to belittle, marginalise and promote intolerance of other human beings driven out of public utterance into the dark, private world of the bigot where it belongs. Those who defend it by crying political correctness are the enemies of an inclusive, tolerant, open society.

Did the BBC, this confused, lumbering monolithic organisation, overreact to Carol Thatcher? Probably, as they belatedly underreacted to the nauseating antics of Ross and Brand. They remind me of the airlines security policies - do nothing until an outrage occurs, overreact for a few days or weeks, then lapse into the old ways.
Re: Political correctness
[info]parain wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 11:27 am (UTC)
Is that so? I remember the first football I went to. It was the late 70s, I was about nine and I went with a white schoolmate of mine. The match was West Ham V West Bromich Albion. West Brom had three black players, the 'three degrees', Laurie Cunningham, Cyril Regis, the third escapes me. Among other things there were monkey chants, general insults and a priceless, 'Stick him back on his jamjar'. No one had to explain the expression; we all knew where it came from. No one had to tell me this was derogatory, I wouldn't have understood the word. I just remember feeling incredibly uncomfortable. I didn't go to another West Ham football match until five or six years ago.

Growing up in the East End in the 70s I got used to an array of racial slurs, wog, coon, darkie, gollywog etc. Not everyone didit and I didn't spend my time getting upset about it. Mostly you just got on with because otherwise you'd spend a fair amount of time fighting. But it was offensive and was intended to be so. Please don't presume to tell me what I am offended by.

We've come a long way since then...mostly.


Re: Political correctness - [info]christymks - Friday, 6 February 2009 at 10:41 am (UTC) Expand
Get a life don't make a mountain out of a molehill
[info]johnsmith007 wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 09:09 am (UTC)
Black people never took offence to the word Golliwog until we told them they should.
Re: Get a life don't make a mountain out of a molehill
[info]parodyofvirtue wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 11:46 am (UTC)
did they really? So you assume they firstly are too stupid to recognise abuse and secondly do everything you tell them?
Re: Get a life don't make a mountain out of a molehill - [info]mattashby1974 - Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 06:23 pm (UTC) Expand
Carol Thatcher
[info]bobinspain wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 09:11 am (UTC)
We now officially live in a country where remarks made in private, a slip of the tongue, a joke merely made in bad taste - can bring the full force of the authority and some of the media down on your head like a ton of bricks, but selectively of course. If you are an arrogant, self opiniated, foul mouthed bore who dispenses filth live on air, no problem! A slap on the wrist, fined a few quid then welcomed back with a fanfare. Someone who makes a remark in private, a joke in bad taste or offers a prayer to a sick person gets vilified and sacked. 'The lunatics have taken over the asylum' is a well worn cliche, but still perfectly apt regarding the BBC.
Re: Carol Thatcher
[info]sara_sense wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 12:26 pm (UTC)
'We' live in? Aren't you in Spain, bobinspain? :p

I agree though, the lunatics really have taken over the asylum where the Beeb is concerned.

Having said that though, Ol' Carole does make a 'career' (for want of a better word) out of not 'being in private'; being a slebritee, so she must understand that if people hear what she says, they will judge what she says.

You wouldn't hear the headline 'Man in street uses the g-word' because it isn't newsworthy, people only think it's newsworthy because it's a name they know.

I dunno, it was made in jest, I doubt anyone was overly offended (apart from at her stupidity) but then again, I doubt anyone is overly upset that she has been sacked either (apart from her). Maybe it was the excuse beeb was looking for?!
Re: Carol Thatcher - [info]bobinspain - Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 05:09 pm (UTC) Expand
DOUBLE STANDARDS
[info]lustyglaze wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 09:23 am (UTC)
If Carol was a man, and probably a bit younger, she could make offensive and sexist remarks every day, on air, and she would still be in a job.

I've just seen on the news some over-excited woman from the One Show editorial team banging on like Supernanny that Carol said sorry but it wasn't a good enough apology.

Is there anyone with editorial control at the BBC with the ability to make intelligent judgements about what is appropriate and proportionate?

BBC
[info]frankvarnold wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 09:39 am (UTC)
Why not ask your readership about the license fee? If like me they broadly agree with your analysis of the BBC,s plight perhaps it is about time to change the way the corporation is funded.
[info]gyhrphy wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 09:53 am (UTC)
Sorry.....but it is you who just doesn't......GET IT! and never well. This is Britain not Africa.
[info]madmental wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 10:05 am (UTC)
Thatcher was dropped from the programme for indignantly maintaining there was nothing wrong with what she said, not for saying it.
Adrian Chiles
[info]trezarro wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 10:26 am (UTC)
I'm staggered that anyone could possibly describe Adrian Chiles as "magnificent". This wet, dweeby presenter is the very epitome of the BBC's fall from grace and the dumbed-down, magazine rack rubbish that passes for primetime viewing these days. To learn that Chiles is the sort of tattletale toady who was deservedly punched repeatedly in the playground comes as no surprise. As for Jo Brand - "glorious"?!!! Are you insane?

What we have here is a situation akin to those in totalitarian dictatorships - people reporting their colleagues and neighbours for ideological impurity, and the wrath of the Powers That Be making examples of any offenders it can unearth. It's sickening that the likes of Adrian Chiles thrive in our societyL toadies, snitches, and drips.
Ludicrous overreaction
[info]whostoletyke wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 10:45 am (UTC)
I utterly reject the BBC's ludicrous stance from what sounds like the epitome of control freaky, mad, crazy Britain anno 2009. Thatcher's remark was a *private* comment - in that it was NOT broadcast. The BBC's omnipotence is like that of King Henry VIII demanding of Sir Thomas More that he recognise the Act of Supremacy or suffer the consequences, which, brave man, he did. What a stupid, stupid politically correct nation we have become with organisations like the BBC and its senior people pontificating over us, not forgetting their cheerleaders like Matthew Norman.
the green room halfwits
[info]rerabrerab wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 10:53 am (UTC)
Did no-one that heard the remark -'themagnificent presenter Adrian Chiles, the glorious Jo Brand and others' - not say to Carol Thatcher that they objected and give her a chance to reflect and apologise?
If no-one said anything directly to her at the time, they are cowards lacking any moral standing.
Re: the green room halfwits
[info]madmental wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 11:27 am (UTC)
Yes they did, and it's her insistence that she did nothing wrong that has created all the fuss.
Re: the green room halfwits - [info]tinyratsass - Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 02:33 pm (UTC) Expand
Carol & the BEEB
[info]morpethdave wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 10:56 am (UTC)
No doubt Adrian Chiles used to revere 'Big Ron' Atkinson at one time and still talks to him.
So, what's this about Adrian being 'shocked' by Carol's simile? Adrian, a divorced forty something who attends football matches with Frank Skinner and goes downn the pub.
A job reinforcing reaction perhaps?
PATHETIC and CRAVEN.

As for the po faced BBC exec. whose been defending the OTT reaction of OUR corporation, she sounds just like Yvette Cooper, Beverley Hughes and the rest of the humourless, risk averse, PC drones that populate the higher echelons of politics and broadcasting.
Racism - McCarthyism
[info]dudek4 wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 10:57 am (UTC)
It seems to me that the accusation of racism mirrors the 1950's US McCarthyism phenomenon. If someone makes an innocent comment that can be construed to have an unintended racist slant when exposed the person's career is finished.
Dont misundestand me i abhor genuine racist language and behaviour but the extremists are seeing shadows where no light has been shone.
Re: Racism - McCarthyism
[info]mattashby1974 wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 06:26 pm (UTC)
You say you abhor racist language, I'll take that as fact.
Can I ask then, how do you construew the use of the word golliwog used to describe a black person as non-racist?
Snitches
[info]andrea_2 wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 11:12 am (UTC)
Around about a year ago, a teacher working in the Sudan allowed the children in her class to innocently name a teddy bear Mohammed. But, someone working in that school, a female colleague from all accounts, snitched on the teacher to the authorities and as we know the rest is history. I remember thinking at the time was a truly despicable, self-righteous, sanctimonious pr**ck the snitch must have been. How much wiser it would have been to have quietly taken the teacher on one side and explained that the naming of the teddy bear might cause a problem and to ask the children to re-name it.

And I think pretty much the same sort of wisdom should have pertained in this case. I'm no fan of Carol Thatcher, in fact I'm entirely indifferent to her, and I hate racism in all its forms. But to sneak around, telling tales, when a quiet 'word to the wise' would have been so much better. Ignorance is everywhere and in everyone. If we went around sacking every ignorant person there would be no one left in work.

Sometimes people make unpleasant, unthinking remarks and someone else pointing it out to them is usually enough to put them right. If after that a person's behaviour is seen to be deliberatly offensive, even intimidating, then fair enough, action must be taken.

Racism is ugly, but so is sneaking round telling tales.
The Thatchers
[info]alterkocker wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 11:31 am (UTC)
Of course, all the Thatchers are dreadful and the 'Golliwog' is insulting, but it is very small potatoes when it comes to their capacity for giving offence. However, enough is enough, even Margaret Thatcher is a nobody now. Don't the media think the British people have more important things to worry about than golliwogs and snow? Why instead don't they keep on relentlessy pushing Brown to prosecute the bankers and corporate tax dodgers and then report the results? Why don't they give us, the people, a daily report on how the recession is affecting those worse hit and those likely to be hit next, and as graphically as they can, compare their lot with the lot of those who will escape any pain at all?
Do the media think that the people are too stupid and irresponsible to grasp the really big nettles of the day? Do they all think we deserve nothing better than more crappe about the asinine antics that so-called 'celebrities' get up to? The country is falling to pieces, for Christ's sake! Do something worthy of the country, instead of acting like an orchestra playing sentimental schmaltz while the bloody ship sinks.
Carol Thtcher
[info]amelia2 wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 12:00 pm (UTC)
Has the world as we know it gone stark raving BONKERS, I give you the following which now from hence forth are not be used in any circumstances.
Yank,Wop,Pom,Taff,Paddy,Yid,Kiwi,Ossi,Shelia,I could go on and on. Instead get your selves reorganised.To the BBC and all other broadcasters stop the broadcasting of BAD LANGUAGE in Most programs,STOP increasing the sound in between programs when we all dive for the remote.STOP playing music over speech. Stop the continual switching of camera shots, We do not wish to see the top of the orchester players heads.In other words pay attention to your own bad faults.
Tony Scott
Matthew Norma's comments
[info]uzwelo wrote:
Thursday, 5 February 2009 at 12:00 pm (UTC)
Matthew Norman's comments are in the same cretinous and cowrdly league as the BBC's treatment of Ms Thatcher.
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