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Mihir Bose: The Anglo-Indian detente is more fragile than you think

Britain and her former colony still feel the need to tiptoe around each other nervously

The state visit tomorrow of Pratibha Patil, India's President, is being billed as an important landmark in the relationship between the two countries. It is the first state visit in 19 years and only the third since India became independent. We will hear many honeyed words and much talk of economic collaboration between Britain and an emerging Asian giant. Yet none of this can mask the fragile nature of this relationship, in which Britain and her former colony still feel the need to tiptoe round each other.

I was made aware of this when I found myself at Buckingham Palace a couple of weeks ago along with some 300 other Indians living in this country. You could not have drawn a better picture of Indian success here: any number of rich Indian businessmen, members of the House of Lords of Indian origin, and well-known entertainers all sipping champagne and eating tikka masala. British businessmen were also dotted around, hoping no doubt to tap into the Indian market.

India, after all, is the second biggest investor in the UK, after the US. And while Shilpa Shetty did not make it, Bollywood did. Just before we were presented to the Queen and Prince Philip there was a Bollywood dance performance in the Palace ballroom. I was told this was the first time such a spectacle had been seen there.

I could not have imagined such a scene when I arrived here 40 years ago. Back then Spike Milligan blacked-up to play an Indian waiter in a sitcom, Indian food was merely blotting paper for those who had spent far too long in the pub, and India was always pictured with a begging bowl seeking Western aid. The presence of Meera Syal and her husband, Sanjeev Bhaskar, underlined how things had changed. Their brilliant sitcom Goodness Gracious Me, the title borrowed from the lines Milligan always parroted to his customers, showed the confidence of a community that can now laugh at itself.

Yet the evening also revealed the awkwardness that lurks not far beneath the surface. Many of the guests kept asking each other why they had been invited. Even remarks meant innocently provoked intense suspicion.

One man in front of me in the queue to be presented to the Royals, a Mr Patel, was told by the Duke: "There are a lot of your relations here tonight." I am sure the Duke meant well but it so puzzled Mr Patel that he kept asking me: "Did he mean that there are a lot of Patels here or", and he dropped his voice at this point, "did he mean that there are a lot of wogs here?"

The evening also featured an exhibition in the Picture gallery of the Padshahnama, the illustrations commissioned by the 16th century Mughal Emperor Shah Jahan, the man who built the Taj Mahal. A leaflet we were given explained that 200 years later as the British conquered India, these were presented to George III. They are now one of the greatest treasures in the Royal Collection.

The exhibition was no doubt intended to make the Indians feel at home but one Indian turned to me and asked: "Presented? Surely it should say stolen?" A look at his face told me he was not joking.

The evening made me realise that people may jest about Britain and America being divided by a common language, but Britain and India remain two countries divided by their interpretation of their common history. This makes it impossible for the two countries to attain the sort of relaxed relationship Britain has with its first great colony, America.

As it happens, Britain made up for the loss of America by acquiring India. Lord Cornwallis, who surrendered to George Washington in Yorktown, went on to become Governor General in India. True, there are many factors contributing to Britain's special relationship with America – America's status as the world's superpower and the many family ties that bind the two nations together – but one of the key factors is that both countries have come to terms with their common past.

So much so that Tony Blair could go to the US House of Congress, apologise for the British burning down the White House in 1812 and merely provoke laughter. A similar apology by a British Prime Minister for the 1919 Amritsar massacre, even in jest, would be unthinkable. The British and the Indians cannot even agree how to describe what happened in 1857. The British description of it as a mutiny rails Indians, for whom it is the first war of independence and, when an Indian film-maker made a movie of it not long ago, British historians filled the airwaves questioning the film's authenticity.

Historians of the Raj endlessly debate how and why the British left the subcontinent in 1947. Many portray it as a scuttle and are forever seeking scapegoats for what is seen as a huge policy failure. Yet the more relevant question that is rarely asked is why, in the 1930s, the British failed to give India the sort of dominion status it had given its white colonies, a decision that could have both preserved the Empire and avoided the bloodbath of 1947.

And for all the anguish about the horrors of the one million who died during partition, few Raj historians dwell on the Bengal famine of 1943, when three million Indians died in one of the worst famines of the 20th century, an unforgivable blot on British rule in India.

Indians are even more schizophrenic about how they acquired their freedom. Unlike the Americans, not having fought a pitched battle against the British, the Indians do not have a Yorktown as their final conclusive moment when they secured freedom.

This makes them exaggerate the anti-British campaigns during the Second World War. Then, most Indian politicians opposed the Raj, arguing that it was hypocritical of Britain to fight for world freedom while denying India hers. Yet more than two million Indians fought for the British during the war, the largest voluntary force ever raised. And, as the military historian AJ Barker put it: "Indian freedom was probably assured by the events of 1942, when Japan destroyed the mystique of white supremacy in the Far East."

For a people to accept that gaining their freedom was not their doing, or that many of their countrymen fought to support their colonial masters, is hard. This is worsened by a certain Indian prudery. The land of the Kama Sutra has always found it difficult to be open about sex, more so when it comes to subjects like the affair between Jawaharlal Nehru, India's first Prime Minister, and Edwina Mountbatten, the wife of the last Viceroy. The Indian government put so many restrictions on a recent attempt to film the affair that it was abandoned.

There are signs that some Indians, 62 years after Britain returned the jewel in its crown, are beginning to look at their history with more objective eyes. Even then, politicians who have praised Mohammed Ali Jinnah have found that trying to be fair to the man who created Pakistan, and is demonised in India for that, can be politically very damaging.

Until Britain and India begin to take a more grown-up view of their past, this week's bonhomie will not obscure the need for the two countries to circle each other warily. Their association may go back 400 years, but the fear remains that one wrong step could ignite the old India v England hostilities.

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Hypocracy rings out from this article
[info]lush_laroo wrote:
Monday, 26 October 2009 at 08:10 am (UTC)
If I asked you would it be so impolite to ask that you spent 100 years trying to eject the British and succeeded in doing so in 1947 that we ask you now to return to your homeland you would accuse me of racism you can ask that and do it but we must not be so racist in asking for the same we have had to allow millions of Asians into this country without any consultation and you should wonder why resentment is growing against immigrants .
As a British subject born in India just before our ejection I asked an Indian why do you call yourself British now you live here in the UK yet you were born in India? yet when say I am an Indian as I was born there too his reply was you could never be Indian you are white! Well I could say the same to all Asians who now call themselves British, I am English something an Asian can never be just as I was told I could never be considered Indian.
So much so for an easier going relationship.
Re: Hypocracy rings out from this article
[info]sharifl wrote:
Monday, 26 October 2009 at 11:59 am (UTC)
I think there is a difference between you and those non whites born here in UK. You were born in India, as part of the colonial rule. You treated Indians like you know what. You had separate clubs, where Indians were not allowed. You had churches for whites and churches for Indians. I am sure which one you and your parents visited, if at all.
Indians and pakistanis came here for a better standard of living. And we wanted to mix with you. No, wherever we bought a house, the white neighbors decided to move to another area. So we non whites lived with other non white brits and kept our way of life. Now after so many decades, you say these people do no assimilate. my dear. So much for the easier going relationship, as you put it correctly.

Re: Hypocracy rings out from this article
[info]lush_laroo wrote:
Monday, 26 October 2009 at 04:43 pm (UTC)
I hear what you say but never forget we were never consulted on the invasion of our country by an alien culture and religion one we have grown to despise and hate for they hate us as much murdering our peoples .
We will cleanse this land of the virus that is Islam and foreign ideology, blood will flow until we reclaim our land just like you did in India and Pakistan.
This is England for the English just as India is for the Idians so just please go before mayhem will engulf you and your alien bretheren
Re: Hypocracy rings out from this article
[info]sharifl wrote:
Monday, 26 October 2009 at 05:36 pm (UTC)
Now you are showing your real colors. British for brits and India for Indians. Those who came, came while UK allowed their entry. May be USA, Canada, Australia and many other countries should ask these whites to return to motherland. In South Africa and Zimbabwe, white should pack up and return? Is it what you are saying? Or is it only the wogs?
Your argumenst are more like the nazis, I rather not comminicate with you anymore. Keep on dreaming und Heil Sieg!!
Re: Hypocracy rings out from this article
[info]sun_is_king wrote:
Monday, 26 October 2009 at 06:54 pm (UTC)
I'd like to inform lush laroo that anyone can become a citizen of India if he has fulfilled all the criteria for citizenship. Just like the citizenship process in the US. You may have been born there, but if you don't have Indian citizenship then you are not an Indian.
Re: Hypocracy rings out from this article
[info]lush_laroo wrote:
Monday, 26 October 2009 at 07:25 pm (UTC)
I have your name come the day of the revolution which is not far away you will be in the red book of those who will be terminated so we can cleanse our country so we can be English again
Re: Hypocracy rings out from this article
[info]man_from_oz wrote:
Monday, 26 October 2009 at 10:13 pm (UTC)
Take it is easy lash_laroo...

What goes round, comes around. You did not "consult" Indians before invading their country. You did not "consult" South african blacks before colonising them. And those migrants in your country have come passing your immigration tests, laws and legislations created and enforced by you. Now they have prospered in a legitimate way, taken aay your jobs and doing well in schools and Unis and you cry foul.

Do you know why?

Because you are lazy. yes lazy and bully and thuggish. You should have stayed back in your ships in the sea and lived on the salted meat and rotten biscuits. You would not have to live with Vindaloos in brick lane today. You were doomed the day you set foot on your first colony.

Sorry, but you are not going down. You are ALREADY DOWN.

Cheers
Re: Hypocracy rings out from your comment
[info]alternativeview wrote:
Monday, 26 October 2009 at 09:10 pm (UTC)

Well at least the Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis applied for visas and didn't arrive on gun boats. At least they contribute by working and paying taxes to the British economy and not stealing the wealth of the land they have just arrived in and exporting it to India, Pakistan (or where ever they come from) and then using the wealth that they have 'earned' to be able to start the industrial revolution . At least they have to buy any land that they need and not take it by force and at the barrel of a gun. At least they don't come in to the UK overthrow the monarchy, disband the governing authorities, impose their alien laws as absolute, fly their flags from the houses of parliament or Buckingham palace. After living here for a number of years most of them and their children actually learnt the language of the land. They don't use the native english as indentured slaves. At least they vote in democratic elections deciding the fate of that land on an equal basis and not exclude the majority english. At least they don't arrive and inflame divisions between Protestants/ Catholics, Welsh/English, Irish/Scot in an attempt to divide and rule over the native majority. At least they aren't incorporating it in to their empire and calling it (quite rightly considering where they came from, a cold, wet, resource poor, disease and poverty ridden land) the 'Jewel in their Crown'.
Your complaining about 'us' being over here well 'you' shouldn't have come over there and did what 'you' did which was plunder, steal, kill and expropriate a foreign land. Look around you how many Brazilians do you see or Russians or Mexicans or Japanese. Not a lot because 'you' weren't able to colonise those places (others probably did). And there is a reason India, China and Asia in general are very rapidly surpassing 'our' economies and thats because prior to starting their little 'empire building' onslaughts 300-400 years ago resource-poor Britain and Europe made very little of ANYTHING. Both have since the history of man began been consumers of goods (silks, perfumes, gold, diamonds, spices, tea, fruit) from Asia and not PRODUCERS. The major wealth of the world was concentrated in that part of the world (before it was 'given over to the crown'). Before 'your' empirialism 60 % of the things which 'you' consummed were made in India and China. Their technology and sciences made ‘your’ country and Europe look like a third world, superstitious, dark ages cess-pit, where people didn't even take a bath for years. Things are within 50 years of Independence for that region reverting back to how they have always been. And 'we' are here because 'you' were over there filling up your pockets with 'our' wealth!
Ps this also includes the centuries old civilisations of the Americas (as well as Africa) 'blessed' by the Spanish and Portuguese......in those two countries thats where the Mexicans, Bolivians, Guatemalans, Brazilians, etc you couln’t find in the UK are. You see the Spanish/Portuguese were over 'there' doing their thing (consuming) and now as Cilla Black says 'surprise surprise' now they're over 'here' in Spain and Portugal. Sort of see a trend, like I was saying earlier!
An interesting view
[info]popskihaynes wrote:
Monday, 26 October 2009 at 12:19 pm (UTC)
A well written piece and an interesting prepective but also a rather sad one. As a working class lad growing up in the 1950s, through Kipling and the tales from the Indian Sub Continent, I always thought of India and Indians with some warmth, a view I still hold. Also in those days it was likely that Fish and Chips were the national dish whereas as today, the Curry reigns supreme - far better !

It seems to me reading this that Middle Class people of Indian origins are as bad as the white middle class who rather than deal with realities hide behind condemning all things to do with the British Empire, in both cases it is an imature reaction. All things historical need to be seen against a background of "those times and that place" instead of "judging then events by today's standards".

The real problem probably lies in the very cultural diversity of India and from that, the ploiticians making an "appeal to nationalisim" as a way of rallying people. Perhaps in due course India will feel more confident in itself and then will relax in dealing with the former colonial power, time will tell. Whilst a common culture and language made the US/UK relationship work, it probably only worked well once the USA emerged as a powerful nation, is the truth.
Re: An interesting view
[info]man_from_oz wrote:
Monday, 26 October 2009 at 10:19 pm (UTC)
Well, popskihaynes, if Indians are thinking about rallying people with appeal to nationalism and it is so bad - how come you and your white british brethren and sisterhood are not doing anything about far right, fascist parties like BNP? You even voted them right up to the EU parliament.,

Please, don't cry "democracy", because you will forget Indians have the right to do exactly the same in their country... - western style democracy has the foulest smell sometimes...
Re: And your point is...
[info]popskihaynes wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 09:06 am (UTC)
Sorry but what are you going on about ? There is nothing in what I've written that condemns or extols the "appeal to nationalism" by whoever makes it, it is a basic fact of "political life" throughout history and always will be into the future.

England was created by the Norman Conquest of 1066, the connection with France remained strong for very many years. According to Hollywood, Richard the Lion Heart was a great English King but in fact only spent a year in England. He didn't speak the language, was probably implicated in the death of his Father, the King of France and in the end he died in France.

The consequence of this connection was that later English Kings, if only to keep their restive Barons out of trouble, used to arrange French Campaigns to "Recover the English Possessions", Poitiers and Agincourt were the result. The appeal to "nationalism" as a unifying slogan against the "outsiders", is as old as the hills and totally unrelated to democracy, in fact it is tribal in its origins.

We have a saying, "The last refuge of a scoundrel is patriotism" and any British politician who wraps themselves in the Union Flag, is always treated with extreme suspicion and has probably ended their career by doing so.

Any traction that the BNP currently has with a minority of the British electorate is the result of 12 years of government by Labour lead by the metropolitan chattering classes with their reams of daft poorly drafted "equality legislation" which resulted in discriminating against the majority. Once this nonsense has been dealt with through revision of positive aims and the repeal of rubbish ones, the BNP will effectively vanish. The biggest weakness of the BNP is that their only message is "white nationalism" and on these crowded shores, they will choke on it as Mosley and his Fascists did in the 1930s.

Current notable appeals to nationalism are Putin in Russia, Mr Dinnerjacket in Iran, The Pakistani Government in the Tribal areas, the list goes on...

So whatever you are on about which clearly does not include reading, let me assure you, the "appeal to nationalism" is political but totally unrelated to democracy or totalitarian regimes, it is a primitive device and will often be seen in sporting events when people support "their team".
India for the Indians
[info]robert_price wrote:
Monday, 26 October 2009 at 03:15 pm (UTC)
....and Britain for the British, or so Britain was told when the people of white skins and British family origins were thrown out of India; and often more than not lost property rights.

This was deemed fair by the Indians, because they were the indigenous population. A population whose strong desire for multi-culturalism was evident in the fact that they then split into three different countries themselves.

Now Indians (including Pakistanis and Bnagladeshis) arrive here in ever increasing numbers, still with a great deal of hatred towards ideas of multiculturalism, but using the mantra to tell us we have to change or leave.

We've included a lot of Indian Culture already in society; we all like Indian food (which by the way is mostly Bangladeshi food) and we often like the idea of Bungalows, soap and water, etc... Not enough, we have to love Bollywood, which lets face it is bloody awful, and often a faded copy of the old Busby Berkeley musicals. We have to accept their religion; those this is often said more by those being politically correct in this country than the immigrants. Most painful of all we have to accept positive discrimination in the jobs market, whilst never once mentioning that any discrimination is bad because positive to one area of society is always negative for another.

When all this is accepted, we hear constant cries of racist, from people who have race at the forefront of all their thinking. Well, racism is not strictly a disease of white folks, you only need to look at Yasmins regular racist columns to see that.
Re: India for the Indians
[info]lush_laroo wrote:
Monday, 26 October 2009 at 04:45 pm (UTC)
well said and honest a true reflection of my views as well
Re: India for the Indians
[info]sun_is_king wrote:
Monday, 26 October 2009 at 06:58 pm (UTC)
Property that was more often than not, violently and illegally appropriated from their rightful indigenous owners.
Re: India for the Indians
[info]robert_price wrote:
Monday, 26 October 2009 at 07:54 pm (UTC)
Property more often than not, bought from violent indegenous populace who gained it illegally before selling it to traders. Trade was the basis of the British Empire, not physical conquest. Admittedly a fair price would rarely be paid.

Taken back from the decendents of those who bought it in trade, mainly taken back by decendents of those who had taken it illegally and sold it their ancestors.

The fallacy of simply stealing land from natives, is akin to the fallacy of the slave trade. Slavery had died out as an idea in Northern Europe, being thought of as unchristian, and replaced with equally unchristian trade practices.

The traders from Europe found slavery alive and well in the Muslim world of North Africa, and those muslim traders wanted to sell their property, slaves, in return for goods from elsewhere. It was a reprehensible trade, but it also included the black africans, who sold their fellow black africans for goods. Of course it excalated with the American plantations, but it would be a rare to unheard of occurance for white people to simply run ashore and catch black people as they did Kunta Kinte in Roots.

The past was different, and peoples behaviour was not of the standard we set today, but the behaviour was bad on the part of all races, and again not just restricted to white folks.

As an addition, most writers of the time recorded that slaves has value, life lifestock, but the white people in this country who were poor, would be more likely to be left to die, as they had no value.
Re: India for the Indians
[info]man_from_oz wrote:
Monday, 26 October 2009 at 10:29 pm (UTC)
Well, it is no excuse blaming only Muslims for slave trading. Muslims did not float insurance companies for slave trades - people of your part of the world did. So you cannot escape that part of history - no matter what you want.

Also, please remember - most western companies who anted to do "business" would want to overthrow the new country's ruling regime or king or whatever - for getting a getter deal. they would bring their army with them - this is what happened in India.

You do not have to go so far back. In your own backyard, the lockerbie bomber was released a few weeks back - yes, by your own authorities. And do you know why? Because your government wanted to have an oil deal with Libya. Unpalatable truth perhaps fot you white british folks, but I did not hear much furore from your ordinary middle-class, white people in UK. And do you know why is that? because deep down under - you are as greedy as your politicians and leaders.
Re: India for the Indians
[info]robert_price wrote:
Monday, 26 October 2009 at 08:06 pm (UTC)
One last thing, I'm sick of being called a racist and intollerant by people who come here from abroad with mroe racist and intollerant attitudes than any of the 'indigenous' population would ever consider appropriate.

Those who cry racist, are often the most racist.
Re: India for the Indians
[info]alternativeview wrote:
Monday, 26 October 2009 at 09:13 pm (UTC)

Well at least the Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis applied for visas and didn't arrive on gun boats. At least they contribute by working and paying taxes to the British economy and not stealing the wealth of the land they have just arrived in and exporting it to India, Pakistan (or where ever they come from) and then using the wealth that they have 'earned' to be able to start the industrial revolution . At least they have to buy any land that they need and not take it by force and at the barrel of a gun. At least they don't come in to the UK overthrow the monarchy, disband the governing authorities, impose their alien laws as absolute, fly their flags from the houses of parliament or Buckingham palace. After living here for a number of years most of them and their children actually learnt the language of the land. They don't use the native english as indentured slaves. At least they vote in democratic elections deciding the fate of that land on an equal basis and not exclude the majority english. At least they don't arrive and inflame divisions between Protestants/ Catholics, Welsh/English, Irish/Scot in an attempt to divide and rule over the native majority. At least they aren't incorporating it in to their empire and calling it (quite rightly considering where they came from, a cold, wet, resource poor, disease and poverty ridden land) the 'Jewel in their Crown'.
Your complaining about 'us' being over here well 'you' shouldn't have come over there and did what 'you' did which was plunder, steal, kill and expropriate a foreign land. Look around you how many Brazilians do you see or Russians or Mexicans or Japanese. Not a lot because 'you' weren't able to colonise those places (others probably did). And there is a reason India, China and Asia in general are very rapidly surpassing 'our' economies and thats because prior to starting their little 'empire building' onslaughts 300-400 years ago resource-poor Britain and Europe made very little of ANYTHING. Both have since the history of man began been consumers of goods (silks, perfumes, gold, diamonds, spices, tea, fruit) from Asia and not PRODUCERS. The major wealth of the world was concentrated in that part of the world (before it was 'given over to the crown'). Before 'your' empirialism 60 % of the things which 'you' consummed were made in India and China. Their technology and sciences made ‘your’ country and Europe look like a third world, superstitious, dark ages cess-pit, where people didn't even take a bath for years. Things are within 50 years of Independence for that region reverting back to how they have always been. And 'we' are here because 'you' were over there filling up your pockets with 'our' wealth!
Ps this also includes the centuries old civilisations of the Americas (as well as Africa) 'blessed' by the Spanish and Portuguese......in those two countries thats where the Mexicans, Bolivians, Guatemalans, Brazilians, etc you couln’t find in the UK are. You see the Spanish/Portuguese were over 'there' doing their thing (consuming) and now as Cilla Black says 'surprise surprise' now they're over 'here' in Spain and Portugal. Sort of see a trend, like I was saying earlier!
Re: India for the Indians
[info]man_from_oz wrote:
Monday, 26 October 2009 at 10:23 pm (UTC)
You may be sick of being called a racist. You might take a second and think how non-white people have felt for the last few centuries being called.

try to ban your own far right parties, try to shed your double standards (I am afraid it is still there) - and will win hearts and minds.
Re: India for the Indians
[info]skeptic9 wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 09:01 am (UTC)
Don't be silly mate. The Indian food you find here is certainly not Bangladeshi food! It is sold in restaurants mostly run by Bangladeshis, that's all!
scots pipe bands
[info]tph197 wrote:
Monday, 26 October 2009 at 06:58 pm (UTC)
We like curry and your lot like Scots pipe bands. I would have thought you have been here long enough to know that we joke about everything; it reduces the tension. Just remember, everything works as long as you leave it alone.
A rare story on the Indian president's visit
[info]skeptic9 wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 08:59 am (UTC)
Interesting article.
mihir bose
[info]patrick68 wrote:
Thursday, 29 October 2009 at 11:41 am (UTC)
Spike milligan never blacked up to play an indian waiter. The character you must be referring to was Paddy 'o' Grady, a mixed race irish pakistani gentlemen who worked in a practical joke factory called Lillycrap and Co in a sitcom called Curry and Chips. Also he did not say 'Goodness Gracious Me', that was Peter Sellers who played a highly intelligent and sensitive Indian Doctor in the film The Millionairess. In the guise of this good Doctor he also recorded a hit single called 'Goodness Gracious Me' with Sophie Loren. Spike Milligan was born in Ahmednagar in 1918.

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