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James Lawton: Why the FA has to give Ferguson a taste of the hairdryer treatment

One problem is the grisly prospect of a generation of Ferguson imitators

'It was all over the papers, all this stuff about me bullying and kicking' Kevin Davies on Sir Alex Ferguson 'warning' referees

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Sir Alex Ferguson: What is football, and what passes for its authority, going to do?

What are we going to do with Sir Alex Ferguson? No, let's be more precise. What is football, and what passes for its authority, going to do?

No doubt the rest of us passed our verdicts some time ago. We love him or loathe him. We love him for his life-enhancing lust for glory, his absolute commitment to the idea of winning football matches. We loathe him for his bullying tone and because when things go against him he increasingly displays the grace and the objectivity of a ravening wolverine.

The vital point, though, is that while we can enjoy the luxury of extreme ambivalence football can't. Not, at least, as long it likes to pretend that no one, not even arguably the most successful manager in the history of English football, can stand above the game, making his own rules and flaunting his own prejudices. This is what is happening at the moment and what it is doing to the Football Association's campaign to win more respect for match officials is tantamount to rolling it up as though it is a piece of grubby paper and tossing it into the nearest bin.

So far Ferguson has made two apologies, if we want to stretch the term to its outer limits, for his outrageous attack on referee Alan Wiley, and when one hara-kiri inclined sports reporter had the nerve to raise the issue the other day he was told he had posed a "silly question". It wasn't a silly question. It was a highly pertinent probe into the possibility that the great man had had sufficient time to reflect on a verbal assault on a match official probably more damaging than any since Jose Mourinho's career-ending diatribe against Swedish referee Anders Frisk.

Plainly not, and this impression can only be intensified by the fact that on Sunday, after his team had failed quite woefully to meet the predictable "wounded animal" ferocity of Liverpool at Anfield with anything like the resolve of reigning champions, he found another scapegoat referee, this time the relatively inexperienced Andre Marriner.

As it happened, Ferguson's irritation on this occasion was a lot easier to understand. While Wiley's performance during Sunderland's visit to Old Trafford was virtually flawless to most neutral eyes, the same could hardly be said of Marriner's.

He made several crucial errors, almost all of them in favour of Liverpool, and most potentially decisive when he refused to hand Jamie Carragher, the last defender, a red card for bringing down Michael Owen. However, Wiley and Marriner unquestionably shared one misfortune. It was to preside over games in which United performed sufficiently below their normal standards to enrage any manager, let alone the most combustible of them all.

Ferguson's device, though, of shifting attention from the deficiencies of his team on any passing day with criticism of the referee has done more than wear thin. It is becoming a sustained challenge to football authority – one which recent evidence suggests is hardly likely to be met with any significant force when the FA comes to render its decision on the Wiley affair.

Really, the question is quite simple. Does the FA have the cojones to take on Ferguson, tell him that no one can separate himself so frequently from some basic demands of discipline – and of setting a proper example in a game which is so relentlessly cheapened by the one-eyed self-interest so rampant in most corners.

This isn't to say that referees should be immune from criticism, they are professionals in a game which can punish, ruinously, poor performance. But the manner of Ferguson's attack on Wiley, its essential unfairness and the damage and hurt it inevitably caused, was way beyond any reasonable level of censure. Referees should not be sacred cows, no more than anyone else in the game, but nor should they be chopping blocks for the ire of managers for whom a match has gone sour.

It means, surely, that when the disciplinary commission comes to pass judgement it simply cannot afford to be seen to be deferential to one of the most powerful, and influential, men in football. Nor should anyone be in any doubt about the extent of that influence. It is inevitably vast because when a man wins so much, and shows himself to be so impervious to the opinions of others if they happen to collide with his own, he is bound to collect disciples as a magnet does filings. One problem is the grisly prospect of a whole generation of Fergie imitators, men who have swallowed the idea that they should take the best of the great manager and live with the rest.

The point here, though, is that Ferguson, like his late compatriot Bill Shankly, is beyond imitation. His strengths are so often his weaknesses if you stretch them beyond the narrow confines of the matter of winning and losing.

Ferguson sees what he wants to see, and how else can we explain his enduringly ferocious appetite for the action and unbreakable belief that victory almost invariably can only be denied by malign circumstances.

Here, you have to remember the stunning post-game verdict of Shankly after Liverpool had conceded five goals to Ajax on a misty night in Amsterdam. "The most defensive team we've ever played," rasped Shankly. Ferguson, too, is capable of such assaults on logic and perhaps, who knows, it is part of the requirement of a great manager because if he doesn't believe, at all times, in the rightness of his cause, who will?

This is not to challenge the essential shrewdness of Ferguson's assessment of any given football situation. He knew as well as anyone that his team had underperformed grievously at Anfield at the weekend, but for his own reasons – as most always – he chose to blur the issue.

He was right, no doubt, to believe that the referee had seemed vulnerable to the intensity of a crowd which normally prides itself in its respect for classic values and achievement in the game but on this occasion reserved its greatest fury for the re-appearance of one its most distinguished former players, Owen. Yet Sir Alex Ferguson, of all people, can scarcely complain about unacceptable levels of partisanship. Recently, he has been striding away in the One-eyed Stakes. It means that the FA is obliged to stop his gallop. Either that, or fish around for a white flag.

Can rugby survive rates of attrition?

It is both ironic and a little poignant that when English rugby union is posting casualty figures that might have come from a sporting equivalent of the Somme, a point of optimism is the latest resurrection of Jonny Wilkinson.

No one paid a heavier price for the increase in physical pressure created by the march of the professional game than the man who so willingly crossed the old demarcation line separating the behemoths at the front and the cavaliers at the back.

Yet if Wilko's endurance has proved phenomenal, and his success in France one of sport's most inspiring stories, it should be remembered that it is the result of both unique character and resilience.

In terms of speed and physical strength rugby has made remarkable progress in the professional era. But is it sustainable? Has it become too quick, too physical for its own good? Recent events, in the hospital wards as well as the courts of discipline, are not exactly reassuring.

Gibson an undeserving victim of Boro backlash

Gareth Southgate has received a flood of sympathy, much of it sentimental, with his dismissal as manager of Middlesbrough.

There are some good reasons and not least that Southgate is an engaging, civilised young football man in a game that doesn't always seem to be overpopulated with such figures.

However, translating regret for Southgate's hopefully temporary setback into animus towards his former boss Steve Gibson seems to be an excessive leap in the business of partiality.

Southgate had three years to impress Gibson that he was the right man for the job, and that he failed to do so is unfortunate for the ex-manager but hardly reason to question the instincts and attitudes of a chairman who has given so unstintingly for so long to his local club.

He once kept the young manager Bryan Robson around while at the same time turning to the experienced Terry Venables in order to fend off relegation. Now, with promotion back to the Premier League the challenge and many of his millions given up to the cause, he has turned to another older hand, Gordon Strachan. In the demonology of football, this surely still leaves Gibson some considerable way out of the picture.

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[info]tonysmyth wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 07:58 am (UTC)
"a verbal assault on a match official probably more damaging than any since Jose Mourinho's career-ending diatribe against Swedish referee Anders Frisk". Talk about exaggeration: he questioned Wiley's fitness, thats all. Frisk resigned because of death threats from Chelsea fans. Its hardly in the same category, Mr. Lawton. Get a grip.

On Sunday Liverpool played better but Carragher should have walked, not just for the Owen incident, but also for taking down Michael Carrick in Liverpools penalty box. I think there's a very good case for saying the ref was unduly influenced by the fanatical atmosphere at Anfield. But this doesnt take away from the fact that United played very poorly, and that Scholes and Berbatov shouldnt have played.
Why?
[info]gobysa wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 08:09 am (UTC)
Why is it that, regardless of what is slightly touched on in this article, referees go unpunished in situations like this?

The fact is that referees make more and more bad decisions and are never brought to book for them in public, yet when managers or players comment on these decisions they are brought in front of a disciplinary commission because they speak their mind about a situation that quite often has a direct result on their livelihood.

No one is perfect and I'm sure that referees call it as they see it but when they are wrong they need to face that fact and if it was done in public then maybe their standards would be raised.
Re: Why?
[info]tibleydoc wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 06:19 pm (UTC)
Or maybe no one in their right mind would ever even try and become a referee? Then who would govern the matches? The top flight referees are the best we have, and probably among the best in the world. Would you open yourself up the the kind of abuse they receive, all for trying to govern a bunch of petulant brats who never stop moaning and whinging?

If not, I suggest you shut up, or go and get your license.
Is this what passes for balance?
[info]jimliverpool wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 08:32 am (UTC)
the day after yet more carping against Rafa, JL has a pop at Ferguson, but in so doing even dares to draw parallels between him and Bill Shankly ... words fail me, they really do
Re: Is this what passes for balance?
[info]ashdcuk wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 10:22 pm (UTC)
Anyone who acts so ridiculously outraged and offended at Ferguson being compared to Shankly is such a blind zealot that they will never be pleased by any reasonable journalism - and more importantly, they shouldn't expect to be.
Re: Is this what passes for balance?
[info]jimliverpool wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 10:46 pm (UTC)
you think this is me being "ridiculously outraged"? Stick around! And I am never "offended".

I appreciate reasonable journalism. Lawton aint reasonable; he is biased. Am i supposed to suspend my disbelief as if in a theatre when it is clear that Lawton seems to hate Liverpool? He has chosen to bring Shankly into this deliberately; I rose to the bait. Touche

Bill Shankly was simply a wonderful human being. Mad as a box of frogs about things at times; but he was held in affection by many. Still is.
[info]gouldie7 wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 08:35 am (UTC)
The only thing worse than Mariner's decisions was Dermot Gallagher defending them on Sky Sports News!

Of the Carragher decision, he said it was correct on three pints.

1. Owen wasn't in control of the ball. Sorry Dermot, he was running on to a though ball so what has that got to do with it?
2. The ball was going away from goal. Sorry Dermot, the ball was going towards the near post.
3. There was a covering defender. Sorry again Dermot, but unless that defender could run 25 yards quicker than Michael Owen could run 5 yards, you're wrong again!!!!!!
[info]gbelt wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 09:09 am (UTC)
One can only conclude that you are blind, my friend!

All of Dermot Gallagher's points are spot on, as I explained - well, the most prescient two of the three - in my post below yours. We fans may think both fouls - Carragher on Owen and Vidic on Kuyt - merited a straight red, but that's not what the rules say. Fact.
GO AWAY AND LEARN THE RULES, JAMES ...
[info]gbelt wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 08:41 am (UTC)
Unbelievably James Lawton has just made the same mistake as Ferguson and countless others: Carragher received a yellow for his blatant foul on Owen because Owen a) did not have control of the ball and b) was not heading directly at goal. Thus a yellow, not a red. Exactly the same punishment was given to Vidic for his equally blatant assault on Kuyt - for Kuyt also neither had control of the ball nor was he running directly at goal. Got that? Them's the rules, people.

I thought Marriner did pretty well, on the whole. Carragher's tackle on Carrick got the ball, but you could argue it was dangerous in using undue force. Then again, this didn't happen near the touchline but in the penalty area. Also, Vidic should have received four yellow cards - a blatant body check on Torres and a blatant foul on Reina to block his release of the ball while he was out of position both went unpunished.

Personally I think it's way overdue for these ridiculous outbursts by managers to receive a points deduction punishment - it's the only way they'll learn to shut up! Fact is, referees have their own checker - and if their performance fails to meet the standard - exhibit A: "Beach ball" Jones - they get punished by being demoted.

Lastly, the game. Lucas, eh? £6m. Carrick - £18.6m. Now who of those two at least has some cojones?

Favourite moment of the game: Torres' clicking of his own heels to get a free kick. I took that to be his little tribute to Ronaldo. Torres - what a player! What a man!
Re: GO AWAY AND LEARN THE RULES, JAMES ...
[info]damianphipps wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 11:27 pm (UTC)
Owen a) did not have control of the ball and b) was not heading directly at goal.


That's inventive, gbelt, but nonsense nonetheless. To see why, let's have a look at the actual law, shall we?

From, here:

A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the following offences:

- denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player?s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick


So, unless you are denying that Owen was "moving towards the player?s goal", and had been "den[ied] an obvious goal-scoring opportunity", it was clearly a red card offense.

And, amazingly, it appears that you are indeed denying that Owen would have been through on goal with an opportunity to beat Reina. There's little point in arguing with someone who hasn't used reason to form an opinion. About the best thing that I can say is that you appear to have been blinded by your own biases, and that you are perhaps intellectually dishonest.

Exactly the same punishment was given to Vidic for his equally blatant assault on Kuyt


Except that Kuyt had half the length of the field to travel before it could have been said that he had been denied a clear goalscoring opportunity. Again, it's the little details that you keep leaving out that tell me that you aren't even interested in reality.

Personally I think it's way overdue for these ridiculous outbursts by managers to receive a points deduction punishment - it's the only way they'll learn to shut up!


That's all well and good, gbelt, but who assesses the assessors? And who....well, you understand the point. We are talking about unelected bodies that appear to have the power to ban speech. I see that you are perfectly happy with that, but even you must see how wrong it is that James Lawton, you, and I, are allowed to question a referee's fitness, and yet, a manager isn't?

By punishing speech, as it appears may happen, the FA is effectively banning it. And yet, there are no clear guidelines concerning the exact speech that is punishable! Questioning a referee's fitness is not the same as questioning their integrity. By questioning a referee's integrity, there is a clear implication that the referee is somehow intentionally doing something to handicap you.

But there is no way that that can be case with respect to their fitness, and unlike libel or slander, which are actionable in a court of law, questioning someones fitness is not. So, by agreeing that the FA should be allowed to punish speech that would not ordinarily be actionable in a court of law, you are allowing an unelected body ? the FA ? to ban speech that you or I would be horrified to find banned in the public square.

The only question that I have is: what other speech would you like to see banned, gbelt, or does it only matter when it is you that is being prevented from expressing an opinion?
Re: GO AWAY AND LEARN THE RULES, JAMES ...
[info]faircomments wrote:
Thursday, 29 October 2009 at 09:25 am (UTC)
Yes, watch it again, Owen was moving towards the corner flag, and not the opposition's goal. You can wish it were otherwise, but a fact is a fact!
[info]gilbertoz wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 08:49 am (UTC)
Man United's manager, players and/or fans bleating on about referee favouritism at a team's home ground is utterly staggering. You've had it for years.

Ferguson should sort his own house out and stop the child like Heat Magazine psychology and mind games. It's beyond pathetic.

You lost. Get over it.
Football Manager outbursts
[info]tedthedog wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 10:30 am (UTC)
It's simple really - press either the mute or change channel until he's gone.
I can honestly say that there are a number of TV persons whom I have never heard a word from ...despite their frequent appearances. Mr Ferguson is currently top of the list, along with the Spanish fellow in Liverpool and, despite being an Arsenal "fan", Mr Wenger.

Mr Ross, "Wossy"- I've read - I've never heard him speak, my reaction time on the mute is so fast when he appears. And a few more besides, but I won't go on. These people make a fortune from talking complete rubbish...and the press have to write about something, don't they.
Where to start?
[info]guv111 wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 10:31 am (UTC)

This is a very transparent attempt by Woodrow to be seen to be balanced, and as such the article is packed to the brim with extremely qualified criticism whilst at the same time trotting out a series of sycophantic cliches.

"We love him for his life-enhancing lust for glory, his absolute commitment to the idea of winning football matches."

Life enhancing? Maybe if you are a Man U fan who is so blinkered by his winning of trophies you might feel your life is enhanced, but a raving bully who has no self control is hardly life enhancing for the rest of us.

"We loathe him for his bullying tone..."

Bullying tone? No, it is not his tone that is bullying, it is his actions and words. His tone is the least of it.

"[No one] can stand above the game, making his own rules and flaunting his own prejudices. This is what is happening at the moment."

At the moment? How about for the last thirty years? You talk as if he has had a sudden change in character, while everyone knows he has always been like this.

"[Referee Marriner] made several crucial errors, almost all of them in favour of Liverpool."

That's just utterly inaccurate. Ferguson is already due to face the fallout from his pathetic Wiley remarks, and now he is being just as idiotic and bullying of Marriner. He doesn't understand the concept of being wrong, and he is wrong a hell of a lot of the time. Please don't apologise for him.

"...the great man..."

Successful and great are two very different things.

By the way, Ferguson would - of course - have found Anfield "fanatical", as apart from when City were at Old Trafford a few weeks ago, the place is like a museum. On that occasion, a Man U fan was so overcome that he had to run on the pitch while his comrades bayed for City's blood. But I suppose that was just enthusiasm...

Woodrow in books
[info]guv111 wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 10:52 am (UTC)

James Lawton the author:

Nobby Stiles - After The Ball
Joe Jordan - Behind the Dream
Manchester United Opus (contributing writer)
My Manchester United Years: Sir Bobby Charlton’s autobiography
My England Years: Sir Bobby Charlton
Will this do
[info]airmarshall wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 11:24 am (UTC)
Brooding upon the temper of the ungovernable is a poor economy.
The tackle by Carragher
[info]fourbick wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 12:23 pm (UTC)
The amatuer referees below obviously know better than Graham Poll, England's senior referee. he said about the tackle

"Let’s deal with the decisions first. It is frustrating for referees to get things right, then be criticised by observers who are ignorant of the laws. For a player to be dismissed for denying a scoring opportunity, the player fouled must be heading towards the goal, not just the goal line.
Michael Owen appeals for a penalty after being brought down by Jamie Carragher

Right decision: Carragher was correctly cautioned for his foul on Owen.

Good job: Andre Marriner got the big calls right

So when Michael Owen was pulled down by Jamie Carragher in the 87th minute, Andre Marriner had an easy, routine decision: a direct free kick and a yellow card. It could not be a red card, whatever Sir Alex Ferguson and TV experts assert."


Note his comment "It is frustrating for referees to get things right and then be criticised by observers who are ignorant of the laws"
Re: The tackle by Carragher
[info]tdcomment wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 01:36 pm (UTC)
I'm astonished that someone quotes Poll as the keeper of truth - his view was 100% opposite when judging Fletcher's sending off last year in the Champions League.

Carragher should already have been booked for his tackle from behind on Rooney. Whether straight red or second yellow he should have been off.

The tackle on Carrick has been generally conveniently ignored. Yes he got some of the ball but a fair bit of the player too.

I think on the whole Liverpool deserved the win - but lets not pretend they were outstanding. They were clearly up for the cause and we'll see if they can keep that motivation going for the final 28 games. Doubtless it will be another open top bus tour to celebrate the win and continue the inevitable march to another trophyless season
Re: The tackle by Carragher
[info]the_town_crier wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 03:48 pm (UTC)
So let's get this straight: you're refuting the laws of the game as set out by the FA, the Premier League, UEFA, FIFA and the Referee's Association on the basis of your suspicions about a former referee?

The sheer hilarity of this, I can assure you, does not escape me. In place of actually *addressing* the issue at hand (the Carragher-Owen challenge), you do exactly what Ferguson has himself done - attack the referee, albeit substituting Marinner for an ex-professional - and then pepper your argument with irrelevant and utterly useless anecdotes about other 'contentious' decisions.

This is not an 'argument'. This is not 'reason'. This is a desperate attempt to contrive excuses for a game United simply didn't deserve to win, and for all intents and purposes lost because they were the poorer side. It amuses me that, like Ferguson, the only thing you can point to in the way of attack was a sole shot on goal and a tame Rooney header.

Hardly the mark of deserving victors is it, and funny how calling for penalties, sending offs and mass, collective justice washes away the real talking point about the game: United were soundly beaten, and headed back up the East Lancs road with their tails between their legs (again).
Re: The tackle by Carragher
[info]damianphipps wrote:
Wednesday, 28 October 2009 at 12:08 am (UTC)
There is no need to refute the laws of the game. They could not be more clear on this point. Carragher should have been red carded. From, here:

A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the following offences:

- denying an obvious goal-scoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player?s goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick

Unless you are denying that Owen would have collected the ball and been one on one with Reina (even with a slight angle), I don't see how it could have been any more blatant. Hilarious, indeed.

So, rather than "peppering" your answer with yet more "irrelevant and utterly useless anecdotes", how about you actually deal with the laws of the game, as I have, and tell me how I'm wrong? Thanks.

And so that you don't get distracted, United did indeed deserve to lose the game, and Liverpool were by far the better side.
Re: The tackle by Carragher
[info]the_town_crier wrote:
Wednesday, 28 October 2009 at 12:16 pm (UTC)
You're misreading the rules, and if you scroll down to p.115 of the same report, you'll see the following:

'There are different circumstances when a player must be cautioned for unsporting behaviour, e.g. if a player:
? commits a foul for the tactical purpose of interfering with or breaking up a promising attack
? holds an opponent for the tactical purpose of pulling the opponent away from the ball or preventing the opponent from getting to the ball'

A goal-scoring opportunity is only considered as such if 'The fouled player has...full control of the ball' and he 'has to be moving towards the goal' in order for it to be considered a red-card offense. Owen was not moving towards the goal. Owen was not in control of the ball nor did he even touch it. A yellow card and direct free kick should have been rewarded.
Re: The tackle by Carragher
[info]damianphipps wrote:
Thursday, 29 October 2009 at 08:54 pm (UTC)
I'm not "misreading the rules", at all. The only player that would have had a chance of controlling the ball in that incident was Owen, so, in effect, he was in full control of it. Being in control doesn't mean that the player has to have already touched it. A player is in full control of a ball, if and when there are no opposition players within reach of the ball, and if the attacker is comfortably able to collect it.

Your reading of the rules suggests that a red card should only ever be awarded if the player has the ball at his feet, and if he has already touched it, which would allow a defender to scythe down the attacker from a through ball that he would easily reach and only receive a yellow card, even if he was on the edge of the area, one-on-one with the keeper. But you know as well as I do that the rules are not interpreted in that way.

The replay quite clearly shows that, at the point when Carragher brings Owen down, the ball was only a couple of yards ahead of him. No other player was within range to be able to get to it, unless Owen had completely stopped to allow Johnson to catch up (or if he was much, much faster than him, which is impossible for the referee to judge).
Re: The tackle by Carragher
[info]the_town_crier wrote:
Friday, 30 October 2009 at 01:29 pm (UTC)
I may be misreading this post, but am I right in thinking you beleive Carragher should have been sent off because Owen was the 'only player who would have had a chance of controlling the ball'?

This is mere speculation, and clearly something which has nothing to do with actual refereeing. Whether Owen 'could have' controlled the ball is utterly irrelevant in a disciplinary matter: he didn't control the ball, he didn't run directly towards the goal, he wasn't close enough to the goal to be considered an immediate 'threat', so the offending challenger was booked and not sent off.

This is not a 'reading' but an affirmation of the rules of the game. If a player does not have control of the ball or is heading away from goal, and is then obstructed by an opposing player, only a yellow card can be awarded. but if - as happened last year when Vidic was sent off at Old Trafford - the player (Gerrard) has control of the ball and is heading towards goal, then it is an immediate red card.

These are the same rules that saw Vidic sent off this time around for a second bookable offence. Like Carragher, he obstructed an offensive player (Kuyt) heading away from goal without control of the ball, but for some reason every United fan can accept this decision but not Carragher's! As much as it may pain you to admit it, Marinner made the right call on both occasions, and if you don't like it you'll have to petition the FA for a change of rules.
Fergie v Refs and what we and players know
[info]therearetides wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 01:50 pm (UTC)
Refereeing decisions would almost certainly NOT have changed the result at Anfield. We, as well as all the players on the field know that L'pool won every 50/50 ball and many of the 40/60's too. Man U players know they under-performed consequently Fergie's rants are probably giggles all round in the dressing room. Personally I thought that Masherano was unlucky with his card and Caragher got off lightly. It still rankles me at the critical wrong decisions in a decisive game e.g.- Chelsea v Barca whereby the players have no second chance to overcome wrong decisions. At least the Mancs have the return leg to rectify.
Ferguson
[info]robert_price wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 05:39 pm (UTC)
Has done nothing but cheat and lie since he first entered football. Admired only by Man Utd fans who don't care as long as they can say their team has won, and who know nothing of the origin of football, or the importance of rules in making the game fair.

To add insult to the injury he has given the game, a weak an dcowardly Blair government Knighted him to try and court popularity amongst these same knowledge free Man Utd fans. This man insult this nation in every way he is allowed to, and cheats with apparent immunity.
Re: Ferguson
[info]donslover wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 09:53 pm (UTC)
get a grip haha

hes the greates manager ever lived!
Re: Ferguson
[info]guv111 wrote:
Tuesday, 27 October 2009 at 10:42 pm (UTC)

Couldn't agree more.

Lord Taggart claims to be a socialist, but he took a knighthood from the least socialist Labour PM ever. In fact, Ferguson and Blair have much in common - neither are real socialists, and both are hypocrites. Blair has the blood of thousands on his hands, and "Sir" Alex Ferguson can claim to have debased football forever.

To paraprase David Peace/Brian Clough:

Man United and Ferguson: "As far as I'm concerned, the first thing you can do for me is chuck all your medals and all your caps and all your pots and all your pans into the biggest f***ing dustbin you can find, because you've never won any of them fairly. You've done it all by bloody cheating".

Scum!
Knighthood
[info]dinerouk9 wrote:
Wednesday, 28 October 2009 at 05:41 am (UTC)
This petulant, grumpy, churlish man besmirches the game of football and the knighthood he has received, and has done it with impunity, for years.
FERGUSON IS BAD FOR FOOTBALL BECAUSE...
[info]faircomments wrote:
Thursday, 29 October 2009 at 10:12 am (UTC)
Freguson regularly uses foul and abusive behaviour towards match officials and even opposition players even on live TV.

The hypocritical FA hit young players with severe punishments for abusive language, BUT NOT THEIR MENTOR for doing the same- incredible!

He acts like a football mafia boss; he threatens referees and scares them to death.
He influences no-morale managers like Allardyce to do his dirty laundry for him, like last year when Allardyce created a big show again complaining this time that Benitez celebrated hence showed disrespect, when Liverpool beat his team 4-0. We all know it was his puppet master Fergie who put him up to this.

GREAT MANAGER?
Yeah, he can win, at any price!
He was almost fired for the initial unsuccessful years. He has never managed outside Britain, and could never do, as he would not have the Spanish FA or Italian refs intimidated.

He spent a huge sum more than his competitor managers, and bought some of the best players in the world. There has not been a single player that Ferguson has turned into a great player from obscurity; nobody unknown bought for little money who has become a great success.
Dear Lawton, Nice Try, But Not Very Credible!
[info]faircomments wrote:
Thursday, 29 October 2009 at 10:18 am (UTC)
In fairness, we complained each day about your bias towards bashing foreign players or managers, and not taking on Fergie, which you seem to be doing here.

However, surely you could be more daring writing than this apparent half-hearted piece?After all, your bravery hits the roof, when you write tp crticize or simply kill Eboue, Benitez, Fabregas, ...?

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