Last week, we spoke with Sir Patrick Stewart ahead of his role in final Wolverine film, Logan, for The Independent's new podcast, Kernels.
During our chat, the esteemed thespian went into detail of his experiences filming the 15-certificate X-Men spinoff with Hugh Jackman and child actor Dafne Keen as well as shedding light on his future as Professor Charles Xavier, a role he's played seven times since 2000.
Stewart was also happy to reflect upon his prolific career in general as well as look ahead to future roles, one of which includes the Poop Emoji in an animated film about emoticons (yes, really). You can find the full podcast below.
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On when he first heard about Logan
“I was a little surprised that there was another one. Then news of the content began to filter through – first of all, it might be a very limited number of us – then the script arrived. I had been told this is going to be quite a different Charles Xavier. [But] it wasn’t Charles that had the impact on me when I read these scripts, it was the description of the location of the first scene that I was in. When I read the description of where we were, I was immediately very interested – this is not Xavier’s magnificent comfortable beautiful home in Westchester County, Connecticut. And away we went. I was delighted.”
On whether Logan will be his final time playing Charles Xavier
“Hugh [Jackman] was sitting next to me, with James [Mangold] on the other side of him. and the audience were clearly very caught up in it and that was satisfying. It got into the last five or six minutes of the movie and Hugh's hand came over and he took mine and he squeezed my hand. He looked at me and he had big tears and, of course, that set me off. Here we are, the two X-Men wiping away the tears at our own movie! And then I thought while we were watching, 'My God, this is a goodbye ending. What could I possibly do that could top this? As I've lived with that idea over the past few days, I thought: 'Yeah, it's absolutely right that we should both of us just move on now.' The franchise won't die [without us].“
On his career beginnings
“Diversity and contrast have been important to me from the very start. When I graduated from drama school in Bristol, I didn’t have a job, an agent or anything. It seemed to be everyone else did except me, but after a month of signing on at the Labour Exchange in Dewsbury, I suddenly got an offer out of nowhere. I was introduced to variety from the beginning, so it’s stayed with me. I’ve never been interested in finding a Patrick Stewart persona and simply regurgitating it – and anyway, who’d be interested in Patrick Stewart? Very few people. It’s always for me been about performance and trying to produce the unexpected.”
On working with James Mangold
“I’d spent one day of filming with James in the past [The Wolverine's post-credits scene] and liked that. Now it was day after day after day. They had to shoot me out because I had another commitment, so I was only on the film for seven or eight weeks and I was working pretty much every day. I really like the way James worked. He’s fantastically prepared – not all directors are. Some come in and say, ‘Okay, what’s this about? Let’s take a look’ and make it up as they go along. But not only does he come with a very clear vision but then the moment that the actors begin to join that vision, he goes with it.”
On improvising in Logan
“There were occasions in one scene where James said, ‘Just improvise’. It’s the scene where the family is talking about wanting to have a vacation and the kid says, ‘I’m ready to drop out of school,’ and Logan says something like, ‘Well you know, be careful what you say, because [Xavier] used to run a school.’ James said, ‘When you get to that moment, why don’t you talk about your history a little bit more? Fill it out with something. Whatever feels appropriate to you.’ So we did an eight or nine-minute improvisation, Hugh and myself. Only one line of that improvisation actually makes it into that scene. It was then that I realised that I really have a history. Again it’s not in the movie, but I talked about Jean Grey and what she meant to me. I’d never talked about this before and it was all coming out. We loved it, it was terrific - and the [actors playing the] family were saying: ‘Where did all that stuff come from?’”
On his X-Men experience
“It’s always been a good experience being involved in X-Men. They’ve all been good ones largely because of the company I've kept: working with Bryan Singer three times, with Brett Ratner and now with James. And making friendships for life too. Of course my pal Sir Ian McKellen, that was already in existence. Logan gave me diversity, the chance to do something very different but so closely with Hugh, a person I know very well, in a contentious, angry, quarrelsome situation. It was the best experience in that respect.”
On the struggles of shooting in extreme heat
“The only challenges were the weather conditions. It was brutal. We had 100-degree temperatures and 95 percent humidity, there were crew members on drips, we had two fully qualified medics on set who were having to tend to people who were dehydrated. It’s not all a cushy comfortable life being a movie actor.”
33 Superhero films set for release between 2016 and 2020
33 Superhero films set for release between 2016 and 2020
1/34 1. Captain America: Civil War
Release date: 6 May 2016. Iron Man and Captain America are set to face off in this superhero blockbuster that will feature nearly all the Avengers but won’t be an Avengers film. It will also mark the first time Spider-Man will feature in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, with Sony having made a deal with Marvel Studios.
2/34 2. X-Men: Apocalypse
Release date: 27 May 2016. Following the success of Days of Future Past, Apocalypse will follow the young X-Men team as the battle against Oscar Isaac’s titular villain as he gathers his four horsemen; Magneto (Fassbender), Angel (Hardy), Storm (Shipp), and Psylocke (Munn). Expect carnage and no Wolverine.
3/34 3. Suicide Squad
Release date: 5 August 2016. The first ‘supervillain’ film, Suicide Squad is also based in the DCEU (DC Extended Universe, where Batman and Superman live) and will introduce the world to Margot Robbie’s Harley Quinn and Jared Leto’s Joker. One of the more exciting upcoming DC films that’s for sure.
4/34 4. Doctor Strange
Release date: 4 November 2016. Benedict Cumberbatch will debut in the MCU (Marvel Cinematic Universe, where Captain America and Iron Man live) as the Sorcerer Supreme. The film already has an incredible cast, including Chiwetel Ejiofor, Rachael McAdams and Tilda Swinton.
5/34 5. Untitled Lego Batman film
Release date: 20 February 2017. Kicking off 2017 is the Lego version of Batman, who will lead his own spin-off, having already featured in the amazing Lego Movie. Will Arnett voices the titular character, while Zach Garfianakis - from the Hangover - will voice The Joker. But will he better than Leto?
6/34 6. Untitled Wolverine film
Release date: 3 March 2017. Having not starred in X-Men: Apocalypse, Wolverine will return to the big screen in a solo film which was recently made R-Rated following the success of Deadpool. It is expected to be Hugh Jackman’s last outing as the titular character.
7/34 7. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
Release date: 5 May 2017. Chris Pratt and the crew are returning to space in the sequel to the surprisingly successful Guardians of the Galaxy. According to director James Gunn, the film will not feature Thanos, even though he will to play a major role in phase MCU Phase 3. Cast includes newcomers Kurt Russell and Pom Klementieff, as well as, rumour has it, Sylvester Stallone.
8/34 8. Wonder Woman
Release date: 23 June 2017. Gal Gadot is returning to the DCEU in her very own film, marking the first female-led superhero film on this list. Chris Pine is on board to play Wonder Woman’s love interest.
9/34 9. Untitled Spider-Man reboot
Release date: 7 July 2017. Yes, it is another Spider-Man reboot, having previously been redone with Andrew Garfield as the lead. However, this time it is part of the MCU, with Tom Holland as the titular character, and a heavily rumoured cameo by Iron Man could be in the pipeline. We can dream.
10/34 10. Untitled Fox film
Release date: 6 October 2017. In a strange announcement, Fox decided to withhold the release of Gambit until a future, as-yet unannounced date, which could be here, or this could be a completely separate project. Many suspect Deadpool 2 could nicely fit here, Fox capitalising on the success of the first film.
11/34 11. Thor: Ragnarok
Release date: 3 November 2017. Chris Hemsworth will be returning as the Norse God in his third solo MCU film. Flight of the Conchords’ Taika Waititi is on board to direct, and promises a fun adventure that will likely lead into Marvel’s next project, Infinity War.
12/34 12. Justice League Part One
Release date: 17 November 2017. Hot on the heals of Thor comes Justice League Part One, the first DCEU team-up flick which will see Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, The Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg work together to fight bad guys.
13/34 13: Untitled Fox film
Release date: 12 January 2018. Kicking off 2018 will likely be the second Deadpool film, but then again, this could very well be another X-Men team-up. There’s also talk of an X-Force film, with Deadpool and other mutants teaming up to fight evil.
14/34 14. Black Panther
Release date: 16 February 2018. The first non-white male-led superhero film in the MCU comes in the form of Black Panther, with Chadwick Boseman reprising the titular role, having also starred as the Panther in Civil War. Creed’s Ryan Coogler is on to direct what could be a very exciting film.
15/34 15. The Flash
Release date: 16 March 2018. The Flash will be the first DCEU film since Justice League, and sees Ezra Miller take the lead. Phil Lord and Chris Miller were supposed to pen the film before Disney snapped them up for the Han Solo-film, leaving Seth Grahame-Smith to take charge.
16/34 16. Avengers: Infinity War Part 1
Release date: 4 May 2018. And so, we finally get to the point of all these Infinity Stones! Thanos will be the big bad, with the Avengers needing to team up to defeat their biggest foe yet. It has previously been described as “the end of the Avengers as we know it”.
17/34 17. Ant-Man and The Wasp
Release date: 6 July 2018. Peyton Reed will be back to direct this surprise sequel to one of the better received MCU films. While the name is ridiculous, at least Marvel are finally having a leading female superhero.
18/34 18. Untitled Fox film
Release date: 13 July 2018. Again, not much word on this one except it is thought to be X-Men spin-off New Mutants, something Josh Boone has been hit up to write.
19/34 19. Animated Spider-Man Film
Release date: 20 July 2018. Avi Arad, Matt Tolmach, and Amy Pascal - the team behind the live-action Spider-Man films - are producing this ‘unrelated’ animated adaptation of the hero. Because you can never have too much Spider-Man, right?
20/34 20. Aquaman
Release date: 27 July 2018. Another Justice League spin-off, Jason Momoa plays the leading man. Furious 7’s James Wan is on to direct, but little else is known about the film.
21/34 21. Captain Marvel
Release date: 8 March 2019. We’ve hit 2019, and the first confirmed superhero film will be the first proper female-led MCU film. No-one is confirmed to be in the titular role of Carol Danvers just yet.
22/34 22. Shazam
Release date: 5 April 2019. Dwayne Johnson stars as the villain in this DCEU film which will be somewhat separate to the other DC films.
23/34 23. Avengers: Infinity War Part 2.
Release date: 3 May 2019. The conclusion to the long drawn MCU saga. Expect a big finish with at least a few planets being destroyed.
24/34 24. Justice League Part Two
Release date: 14 June 2019. Soon after the Infinity War story reaches its conclusion, so will the Justice League’s. Not much is known, except Darkseid will likely be the villain for at least one of the parts.
25/34 25. Inhumans
Release date: 12 July 2019. The concept of Inhumans (or Marvel’s mutants) has already been introduced in TV, through Marvel’s Agents of Shield, yet the film is expected to introduce the Royal Family who have yet to be seen in the show.
26/34 26. Cyborg
Release date: 3 April 2020. Having debuted in Justice League Part One three years previously, Cyborg will finally be making his own outing, with Ray Fisher as the titular character.
27/34 27. Untitled MCU film
Release date: 1 May 2020. The first of three untitled Marvel films. There are a couple of contenders, the first is a likely sequel to Spider-Man with Sony, or a third Guardians of the Galaxy film, thus finishing the trilogy.
28/34 28. Green Lantern Corps.
Release date: 19 June 2020. Before you start to worry, this has nothing to do with the Ryan Reynolds-starring flick that hit cinemas a little while ago. Instead, this will be another DCEU film that will likely spin-off from Justice League after the Green Lantern Corps cameo in one of the parts.
29/34 29. Untitled MCU film
Release date: 10 July 2020. As well as Spider-Man or Guardians of the Galaxy sequels, a Doctor Strange or Black Panther one could fit in nicely here. Or perhaps Black Widow may finally get the solo-film she deserves.
30/34 30. Untitled MCU film
Release date: 6 November 2020. Some speculators also think a Blade film could fit in here, marking over 20 years since the first Blade. But many believe the character may be better suited to a Netflix series, as with Daredevil and Jessica Jones. There’s also talk of a Runaways film reaching cinemas at some stage.
31/34 31. Untitled Ben Affleck Batman film
Release date: TBA. Now we’re onto the TBA release dates, the first of which is a Batman solo film, written and directed by Ben Affleck. When this is due, no one is quite sure but expect it sooner rather than later if Batman v Superman is a success.
32/34 32. Suicide Squad 2
Release date: TBA (rumoured 2017). A sequel to Suicide Squad is expected to come in 2017 according to recent reports, but nothing has been confirmed. If the first is successful, it should come as no surprise for Warner Bros to rearrange their schedule to fit in this surefire hit.
33/34 33. Venom
Release date: TBA. This is an odd one, as it has been confirmed Sony are wanting to release a Venom film completely unrelated to the upcoming Spider-Man reboot. Venom, as you may know, is a Spider-Man villain, intrinsically linked to Spider-Man, so it seems odd they would release a film unrelated to the rebooted project and not linked to the MCU.
34/34 Anything else?
Well, now you mention it, there’s also that sequel to Fantastic Four that has seemingly been dropped by Fox. Plus, there’s the Gambit film which has been put on hold (but will likely fill an untitled Fox slot so we haven’t added it extra). Then again, it could be shoehorned in somehow…
On the first time he met Hugh Jackman
"I was siting on set the day he arrived to do an audition. All the X-Men were sitting around drinking coffee, reading newspaper, not at all like X-Men. This charming slender Australian guy came in and he said he was there to audition and he sat down and had a coffee with us and talked. They took him away and we thought, 'What a great guy.' He came back half an hour later and he said, 'Well, you guys are never gonna see me again.' Then somebody came and said: 'Bryan [Singer] would like to see you again.' Done."
On X-23 child actor Dafne Keen
“[She’s] amazing. The three of us were in that shitty truck for day after day after day. It was fantastic, we had so much fun and got on so well. When they’d say, ‘OK, we’re ready to shoot’ - total focus. No fucking about from her. [She was] ready to work and when she turned around and looked at you, you were looking at X-23. It wasn’t Dafne Keen.”
On Green Room
“The last movie I had come out was a movie called Green Room, Jeremy Saulnier’s thriller, and I saw that at what they call Midnight Madness in Toronto at the film festival. I had no idea that the audiences would go so crazy. They were fans of the horror genre. Oh wow, they were standing up and yelling. I just thought we were going to sit there and watch the film. It was great.”
On how he prepares to play the Poop emoticon in the upcoming Emoji Movie
“Two or three times a day [laughs]. We’re already in the middle of it. I’ve already done my recording on this. They wanted a very cultivated English voice - that’s the direction they're going with. I think it’s going to be fun; I like their ideas very much.”
On his career as a whole
“I feel incredibly fortunate because aspects of my career, not only did I never anticipate any of it, they weren’t looked for. I was a stage actor and the fact that somebody would employ me to work on the stage was enough for me. I did a bit of TV, but movies, Hollywood, it was la la land and a lot of it was accident - being at UCLA illustrating a friend’s academic lecture on Shakespeare; a producer of Star Trek signed up to the course of lectures. I say to my son who is also an actor, it’s a lottery, it really is. Always do the best work you can do, but don’t expect that it will lead to the next thing.”
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