The Blairs challenge the Pope over gay sex and condoms
As a recent convert to Roman Catholicism, Tony Blair must know that Lent is a period for repentance, quiet reflection and taking stock. Which makes it all the more curious that the former Prime Minister has chosen the holiest time of the year to take on the Pope, of all people, on the position of the Catholic Church in today’s society.
Mr Blair began last month with an article insisting political leaders needed to “do God”. Then, last week, he directly criticised Pope Benedict XVI and the Vatican for their “entrenched attitude” towards homosexuality.
But while his words were applauded by gay rights campaigners, Mr Blair sparked a withering response from leading Catholics by comparing the Church with a political party that needed its own Clause 4 moment to change with the times.
And now, Mr Blair’s wife, Cherie – one of Britain’s most prominent Catholics – has also directly challenged Pope Benedict. In an interview with The Times of Malta, Mrs Blair described the Pope’s assertion that condoms worsened Africa’s Aids epidemic as “rather sad” and said the scientific evidence refuted his view. In Malta to publicise her autobiography, Speaking for Myself, she said last week: “We do have to understand that there is concern about promiscuity. But there’s also a real concern about saving lives and I absolutely believe, and scientific evidence shows, that condoms do save lives. Therefore, when there’s a choice between endangering and not endangering life, we should also choose life.”
Defending the right of Catholics to use contraception, she added: “I think it’s a matter of personal conscience in the end. I don’t feel bad about making those choices and I don’t feel the Catholic Church feels bad about me making those choices.”
Mr Blair, in his interview with the gay magazine Attitude, said: “Organised religions face the same dilemma as political parties when faced with changed circumstances.
“You can either A: hold on to your core vote, basically, say ‘Look let’s not break out because if we break out we might lose what we’ve got, and at least we’ve got what we’ve got, so let’s keep it’. Or B: you say ‘Let’s accept that the world is changing, and let us work out how we can lead that change and actually reach out’.”
The apparently coincidental attacks on the Vatican from a couple who have done everything to court both Pope Benedict and his predecessor, John Paul II, have raised eyebrows. Mr Blair’s fiercest critics say it is typical of a man who believes he is God to try to lecture the Pope. But while many would find it difficult to disagree with the Blairs’ remarks on homosexuality and contraception, the ex-prime minister’s comparison of Catholicism with a political party has caused widespread bemusement, even among supporters.
Since leaving Downing Street, Mr Blair has created an inter-faith foundation, become a familiar figure in the Holy Land as the quartet of international powers’ Middle East envoy, and, two Christmases ago, converted to Catholicism. He already attended mass regularly with his family and he took communion with Pope John Paul on the eve of the Iraq war. In a Radio 3 programme on faith, broadcast on Friday, Mr Blair said his religious faith was a “comfort” to him at all times, before risking controversy by adding that a “single day” did not pass by without him reflecting on the Iraq war.
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Just read the last two lines of this article; now, Bush said God said It's ok to go to war, Blair followed on the same line, Saddam Hussein said God Bless Iraq and Palestine, so what a confusing situation for God?
Last summer intellectual Muslims visit his The Pope, they said WE ALL pray to the same God, then why are we fighting each other??
Let us not forget what B lair is!!
This man has no real religious belief - in the same way he was hardly a socialist, it was a means to an end. Take the party turn it into whatever suits him worked in 97 so it seems he is trying to do the same again but with the church
What does he really believe - i assume that the catholic church works for him as he can do whatever he wants, repent and it is all ok.
Maybe the only religion that would work for Blair is one he started with his own rules and rules taht he could change at will.
Perhaps the best way here would be if he went on hunger strike for a rule change - and we could all be rid of him
One thing I know is that if there is a god - he is going to hell
As Pat Condell states, the bible is like a window into peoples hearts. Because the bible is so contradictory and vague, you can interpret it in almost anyway you like, it really is a window into the hearts of individual Christians - if you have bile in your heart then (surprise!) you interpret the bible in a Hateful way. The reverse, of course is also true. Interpretation has always been a problem for Christians. The bible mandates genocide in certain circumstances. If they (Christians) think it is the word of god then apparently that is OK too. So much for the unchanging word of God. The world is changing and no amount of gnashing of teeth is going to change that - so get used to it. Well, two good results within 24 hours - Blair and Obama. I wonder what the next four years will bring?
Gone are the days when clergy (including the Pope) dictate to the rest of us what we should do and think. They still have far more power than they deserve. And have far more input into public policy than they should - especially given their distaste for the use of scientific evidence in decision-making. Many Catholics in power (i.e. in elected Governments) cannot be trusted to make unbiased decisions based on evidence. For example a couple of years ago the Australian Health Minister, Tony Abbot, has to be stripped of his powers by Parliament because he could not be trusted to put good public policy before the dogma of the Pope. Let's all start asking questions about how much influence these (often bigoted) clergy have on Government policy.
oh, he got you didn't he.....the 'sickening' comment was just too juicy to be let go: feminism, toilet sex and feral blacks, hey! what a disgusting red-necked attitude. Well, it was a plant: another set up in order to publicly equate conservative religious attitudes with sickening hate, a thorough lack of understanding and intelligence. Every forum (even the more intelleigent ones) seem to swarm with these types of comments, posted in order to inflame YOUR response against those 'hateful bigots' in cyberland.
The reason some of us disapprove of the legitimizing of a gay lifestyle and of feminism (as differentiated from equal legal rights for women) is because these are anti-humane, anti-love. Sharing resources (by accepting immigrants), fighting AIDS, educating against terrorism, ... these are humane, loving things to do and would not be on the same page. As to 'feral blacks' .... that was the comment that gave it away.... may I be more specific: what we don't need is 'feral leftists' in a Brave New World.
"Gay sex and condoms" are just the new "tea and cakes". Benedict's leer is a dead giveaway
Oh. You must feel very lonely. This thing called "Family values". Curious term that. Sounds so benign, doesn't it. Gay people have families too - did you know that. They are the sons and daughters of straight people - your brothers and sisters, your cousins, uncles and aunts. Once people are as 'far gone' as you seem to be there is not really much point in seriously debating them.
Who does he think he is I wonder? What makes his opinion any more valuable than anyone else's?
Is this charitable pseudo religious stance some sort of penance for a reduced time in purgatory?
Time have changed since I was taught Catholicism, when the Pope was infallible and the voice of God.
How long before we have New Catholics and a New Bible?
And although not a complete Atheist I cannot see how any supposedly benevolent creator would allow so much suffering to the very people that believe most subserviently. (Oh yes I remember now, ". . .suffer now and you will get your reward in heaven later . . .". Convenient eh when no one can confirm or deny that)
It is clear to anyone who wishes to see it that Religion was created to control the masses who were at the time uneducated and uncontrollable and is of course inextricably linked to politics and power as history right through to the present day has shown time and time again.
Now that the masses are educated as never before is there any wonder so many people are challenging religion and politics to a point where no one has any respect for the power brokers of either.
Oh and by the way just who is the arbiter on common sense?
Other mainstream religions stripped of their institutional and ritual expressions, yes, may well be just as attractive. Jesus does come through as such a gentle person, women find such affinity with his philosophy. Is that why the churches generally have many more women than men.
I'm not a feminazi but can't help feeling that the philosophy would have been safer in women's hands, rather than in the those of popes and archbishops throughout the last two thousand years.
And quite unusual that you who appear to be a religious believer suggest that Jesus's philosophy is humanist.
In my humble opinion the very book of Genesis demonstrates to me that religion was man made. God seemingly Masculine makes Man first then Woman as a mate perhaps even a plaything but certainly not an equal. Such inequality mirroring the inequality of the times.
It's an interesting idea about women and one that I would love to debate with you sadly I feel this medium is not the appropriate one.
There are really two creation stories in Genesis, 1:27 and 2:22. People focus on the latter, the rib story, and in that story it's even the man who gives 'woman' her name! In 1:27 it's rather different, in that version 'man' clearly is meant to refer to humankind, it's not androcentric.
Well yes, the Bible reflects the relationship between men and women at the times the different books were written, evidently unequal.
He really covers all the bases. I can't help thinking this is a satirical posting.
Surely no one can be so out of touch with the world we live in today to be against every change as he appears to be.
However, i do agree with those who are anti B Liar and Wife. They are a pair of chancers and wasters. B Liar should be in jail for life, not telling anyone how to behave. The war criminal and mass murderer is the last one we should take notice of any matters of morals.
He is a most nauseating creature. How sickening (and what a tatseless joke) that this awful thing is the Middle East Peace Envoy - this shows there is no interest in a settlement in that area. He is totally pro-Israel. And now he wants to be President of Europe. What next? God?
He will convert to Jewdaism next. He is already giving his address as Jerusalem.
The Pope is trying to teach people to live a life of love and kindness toward one another by obeying the commandments to avoid sin which leads to unhappiness and social proplems. There is no doubt that condums promote promuscuity. Why else would people in uncommitted relationships use them. If society is so weak that they can't teach the difference between promiscuity and safe sex within a committed relationship then society has to deal with their neglect by paying for the STD's that are the result of selfish behavior. The Pope wants the world to take responsibility and "teach their children well".
On the other hand the Blair's and other statesmen see the need to distribute condums to immediately curtail the spread of STD's among those who have no idea what sexual morality means in order to protect the innocent. They don't know what love means in the large scope of live. If they truly loved one another they would stop having sex in uncommitted relationships and save their fellow man from disease.
The Pope is trying solve the problem by teaching one to have a moral conscience and the Blair's are trying to deal with the actual result of having no moral conscience on a civil level. They are both doing their job. This is an example of church and state needing to work together to solve this problem otherwise it will continue to get worse as neither can do it alone.
The media should stop pitting one against the other.
No one is trying to prevent people in committed, moral relationships from using condums. That is a matter of conscience and another subject completely.
Panama City Claire
The Bible, as the Word of God, is the exclusive standard of faith and practice for the Christian. Ignorance of the same leaves room for man's worthless opinions, which man tends to raise to the level of God's authority. Truly nothing has changed; Satan attempted to raise himself to God's level. At his suggestion, Adam and Eve did the same. Through Adam's fall, all mankind is born into the same damnable mindset.
God names homosexuality as indicative of the final stage of man's rejection of God in Romans chapter one; for the Christian, that is enough.
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and oh god, did this article have to say that blair is 'a familiar figure in the Holy Land'- talk about laugh, i nearly died..if only walt disney was around these days to do a lovely cartoon film of it all it would beat even 'dumbo' and 'the sorcerer's apprentice' at the box office