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Brown backs new tax on banks – but the US is opposed

Britain will not act alone, the Prime Minister tells finance ministers at the G20 summit in St Andrews

By Jane Merrick, Political Editor

Alistair Darling (left) listens yesterday to Gordon Brown at the G20

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Alistair Darling (left) listens yesterday to Gordon Brown at the G20

Gordon Brown suffered a rebuff from Washington yesterday after he signalled Britain's backing for plans for an international transactions tax on banks to help the world recover from the financial crisis.

At the G20 summit in St Andrews, Fife, the Prime Minister dropped Britain's longstanding opposition to the scheme, which could raise billions a year for poor nations.

But within hours of the significant shift in UK policy on the so-called "Tobin tax", the US Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner dismissed the move, saying Washington was "not prepared" to support it.

The Prime Minister called on the IMF urgently to consider the tax on financial transactions which experts say could raise as much as $600bn (£360bn) a year. Mr Brown said the financial collapse last year showed "there must be a better economic and social contract between financial institutions and the public based on trust and a just distribution of risks and rewards".

Addressing finance ministers from the world's richest nations, including Mr Geithner, the Mr Brown added: "I believe we should discuss whether we need a better economic and social contract to reflect the global responsibilities of financial institutions to society. There have been proposals for an insurance fee to reflect systemic risk or a resolution fund or contingent capital arrangements or a global financial transactions levy."

But Mr Geithner, when asked on Sky News whether the US was behind the Tobin tax, said: "That is not something that we are prepared to support. [But] I think we all share a basic interest in trying to make sure we run a system where taxpayers are unexposed in the future and where the financial institutions are bearing the consequences of their mistakes, that they're responsible for the risks they take."

Downing Street insisted Britain had never said it would act alone on the issue. And a No 10 source claimed that some advisers in the Obama administration deemed the transactions tax worthy of examination, despite what Mr Geithner said. Mr Brown also called on finance ministers to agree the cost of tackling climate change, ahead of next month's Copenhagen summit.

Downing Street said the financial transactions tax – named after the economist James Tobin who first proposed the measure in the 1970s – was one of a number of options to restore trust between citizens and banks.

But Mr Brown's decision to put the Tobin tax on the table marked a significant shift in Britain's position. It is also a key development because London is a world centre of finance.

The IoS reported in September divisions between governments over the plan. Anti-poverty campaigners accused Britain of stalling on the tax, which was being pushed by France and Germany at the G20 summit in Pittsburgh that month.

Under one model of the scheme, a tax of 0.05 per cent would be levied on currency, share and derivative transactions. A research paper published last month by the Austrian Institute of Economic Research said this would raise £360bn annually. Yet if a global agreement were to be met, a smaller levy of around 0.005 per cent would be more attainable, raising £36bn.

Mr Brown said any such measure would have to be agreed by all major financial centres and that Britain would not act alone. Sources said the "ball is now in Washington's court" – acknowledging that implementation of the tax would be impossible without the backing of Barack Obama.

Max Lawson, a senior policy adviser for Oxfam, said: "A tax on banks would be a major step towards clearing up the mess caused by their greed. The G20 has a responsibility to act. Every minute, around the world 100 people are forced into extreme poverty as a result of the economic crisis. Money raised by a financial transactions tax on banks could make a massive difference to their lives."

The Liberal Democrat Treasury spokesman Vince Cable said: "A Tobin tax is a good idea, but it has been a good idea for decades and governments haven't yet found a way of putting it into practice. It would be a much better use of the short period Gordon Brown has left in office to introduce practical measures such as a government levy on banks which are too big to fail."

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Special relationship!!!!!!!!
[info]floppsiefrog wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 02:55 am (UTC)
With friends like the Americans, who needs enemies?
Brown backs new tax on banks
[info]ash1168 wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 03:18 am (UTC)
Is this a good idea? Yes if the banks are really paying, NO if its the customer making international transactions. Think of all those already heavily exploited migrant workers from the Philippines, Bangladesh, or the whole Indian sub-continent and Indonesia, having their hard earned cash taxed when they send their savings back home to families just trying to stay alive. In the Philippines, for example, such cash amounts to the majority of their GDP.

If this is the result, then it will just be another case of Gordon doing something "because he can", and because there's no one in the electorate to complain, ergo, he hangs on to power for longer. Never mind whether its a noble cause or not. For him, its a 'minimal liability' policy. For me, its called irresponsibility - not bearing the consequences of your actions - we're alright Jack. And then he talks about an international 'social contract'. What a hypocrite.
It's all he knows...
[info]thisanthat wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 04:09 am (UTC)
Isn't it?
Tax, tax, tax and more effing tax. Are the bloody banks are going to cough up out of their ill gotten gains? Not really. Because they will have covered their naked arses by ensuring the idiot in the street will pay up (generously) for all eventualities.
More shite from NuLabour??
Re: It's all he knows...
[info]gary52 wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 05:04 am (UTC)
I think the French had a good idea in about, oh, 1789.
Wonder if anyone still makes Guillotines?
BROWN HAS RUN OUT OF TIME & MONEY.
[info]bgarvie wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 05:39 am (UTC)
This is not a new idea. Having 'saved the World' Brown may pretend it is and all of his making, but this idea was around 30 years ago. The trouble is it cannot and has not been implemented because of the numerous variables involved in each international transaction. It is all smoke and mirrors from Brown, another hopeless headline announcement that will come to naught. Brown is an absolutely pathetic PM in the twilight of his political career. Whitehall Treasury officials are now describing his policies as 'scorched earth'. He knows he will lose in 179 days,and is determined to make financial matters worse for the next incoming Government. He puts his own survival ahead of that of our country.
Resign now Brown, call a General Election and leave some semblance of financial order before you bankrupt UK Ltd.
Gordon's "new" plan to save the world
[info]marchmont wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 08:43 am (UTC)
"Gordon Brown suffered a rebuff from Washington yesterday....."

Come on! It was not just America. Gordon Brown's latest cunning plan to save the world was dismissed by the whole of the G20 as old hat and unworkable. The ex-cathedra proclamation by the Saviour of the World was met with derision even by the Russian Finance Minister Kudrin who said: 'Gordon is famous for always raising taxes. It sounds like a good idea, but like most of his suggestions, it will not work in practice.’ The rebuff of the Saviour’s latest call for a new global social contract rather eclipsed the rest of the finance summit.
Daft Idea in practice
[info]deimosp wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 09:12 am (UTC)
Of course the banks should contribute to their own rescue (particularly wher eit is their own incompetance that is the cause) but the mechanism proposed by Brown is just daft.

If is daft because, as a tax on each transaction will include a "Government tax" element. Thus, when you transfer some money by e.g. BACS, the bank will say "Transfer cost £20 plus £3 gov. tax" -> the customer who actually ends up paying the tax, not the banks.

If you want to do this you need to find some way where the banks will pay rather than the customers. Maybe a tax on profits or a tax on bonuses paid (kill two birds with one stone). Maybe neither of these will work (I am no expert) but some way needs to be found where it is not the customer who ends up directly paying as would be the case with Brown's current proposal.

Yet again, Brown needed to try and make his name and short of ideas and things to say this was the best he could find with little warning. And he has again come up with an ill through out idea that has already been rejected by others and he has had it shot down in flames within a few hours. If only he had kept his mouth shut ...
[info]mad9_man wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 09:24 am (UTC)
U turns...imbecilic unworkable ideas...what else would you expect from the most bumbling incompetent unelected loathsome moron in all of recorded history...if you're in any doubt, name is G Brown
One the one hand
[info]tallbendyman wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 09:46 am (UTC)
"But within hours of the significant shift in UK policy on the so-called "Tobin tax", the US Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner dismissed the move, saying Washington was "not prepared" to support it." (The Times)

On the other...

'Downing Street sources last night insisted Mr Geithner's intervention was not an outright rejection of the plan. One said: "What he was trying to do was calm down hype that we're about to introduce a massive tax on banks overnight."'

No, that is NOT what Mr. Geithner said.

An unworkable scheme presented by an unspeakable PM
A TAX A TAX A TAX
[info]caurnie1 wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 09:50 am (UTC)
Glorious Global Gordo has onlyone answer to every question - TAX TAX TAX
Please do the country and the world a favour RESIGN NOW
Gordon Humiliates himself ..........Again
[info]rustigjongens wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 10:29 am (UTC)
What planet does Gordon Brown inhabit?, the IMF, USA, Canada and Russia have all rebuffed his latest attempt to make himself look tough. His own Treasury Ministry said this 'Tobin' style TAX raising scheme was unworkable FIVE weeks ago.

The Man is an embarassement to the UK and should resign.

Today on Benelux news channals they were laughing at the man they call Mr Tax !.


Rustigjongens, Maastricht, the Netherlands.
US soft on Bankster
[info]robius333 wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 11:50 am (UTC)
Its pretty obvious the US Goldman Sucks banster lobby has got to Geithner; one suspects in a similiar small financial interest group, putting ordinary citizen and public second in the equation.

Brown/Cable are correct in the principle of a 0.05%/transaction. Tobin Tax. I'd make it 0.1%

It has to Globally, and the Geithner bankster department shouldn't deflect what is right to do.
Here we go again.
[info]chippychap wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 11:55 am (UTC)
Why why why is a dead man walking PM allowed to make decisions that will affect the country long after he is just a very bad memory?
New Labour is adopting a scorched Earth policy before it is routed in May.
Even at the end they display the morals of the gutter.
Re; US soft on Bankster
[info]ash1168 wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 12:57 pm (UTC)
Great logic Robius333. Hey, why don't we up the tax to 5% just for the hell of it. And as well as international transactions, how about a tax on domestic transactions, with county to county transactions being taxed more heavily than borough to borough. In the end its the customers who will pay the tax, NOT the banks. The banks get off Scot free, and you & I, Robius, will pay through the nose.

Hey, are you by any chance a fiscal policy advisor to Gordon Brown?
tax the banks
[info]glassestin wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 12:48 pm (UTC)
this idea is a good one- it is a tax on the wholesale trading of currencies and shares and other things- it is nothing to do with the retail market and would not impact on joe public changing money or sending money abroad. trillions of dollars change hands every day in these wholesale markets which is why a tiny tax of just 0.05% would raise 700 billion dollars- what would you rather- tax the banks or cut the NHS? I know we may not like gordon brown, but that does not mean that this tax is not a good idea.
Re: tax the banks
[info]ourmaninferney wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 05:39 pm (UTC)
You beat me to it. Most people commenting here didn't bother reading the article (it's NOT Brown's idea, he has simply finally decided to support it), nor does the tax apply to the man in the street - it's a tax on speculation, which is rather a good idea if you think it through.
Is he mad?
[info]kingofmumu wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 04:21 pm (UTC)
Any government tax on the banks, would be recouped off their customers by increased charges. So somewhere down the line, we would end up coughin up, yet again. Lets forget about the banks ripping us off, instead lets go and help a few more countries, by stealing their natural resourses and murdering them. Are we great or what?
Tax on Banks??
[info]snotcricket wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 05:34 pm (UTC)
Of course the banks won't be passing any of the profit differential incurred to the customer, sorry taxpayer, sorry customer, sorry owners, confused??

Imagine being Gordon erstwhile saviour of the world, last seen jogging his memory in the hope of finding good times.

From his third budget onward the title of Prudence the Incompetent has been well deserved, sadly he managed to carry the title into his unelected premiership, he has become the MP expense we cannot afford, time to go methinks, with an immediate election to follow, come on Gordie do the decent thing and give us a chance to vote the bloody lot of you out.

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