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Brown calls Blair in to No 10 for secret talks as crisis mounts

PM's announcement of national plan for Britain came day after hour-long one-to-one meeting

By Jane Merrick and Brian Brady

Tony Blair and Gordon Brown discussed domestic politics

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Tony Blair and Gordon Brown discussed domestic politics

Gordon Brown has called Tony Blair into Downing Street as he desperately tries to rescue his leadership from a series of crises. The meeting on Thursday lasted more than an hour, coming amid the continuing outcry over MPs' expenses and warnings from ministers that Labour faces its worst performance in decades at next month's local and European elections.

There was also continued speculation that Mr Brown could face a challenge to his leadership in the wake of the double poll on 4 June.

The timing of the meeting, with Mr Brown's future in doubt, triggered talk in Westminster that the premier was asking Mr Blair for help. Sources said that they did not discuss election timing or strategy, but the conversation did cover domestic politics. The day after the talks, it emerged that Mr Brown will launch a "national plan for Britain" as part of his fightback.

In an interview with The Independent on Sunday, Nick Clegg predicts that Mr Brown's troubles are so bad that Lib Dem MPs will outnumber Labour within a decade because the governing party has lost the "contest of ideas".

After another day of turmoil in Westminster, Hazel Blears, the Secretary of State for Communities and Local Government, yesterday issued a thinly veiled warning to the Prime Minister that if he is preparing to sack her in the forthcoming reshuffle, she has the support of cabinet ministers. Friends of Ms Blears said she was feeling "emboldened", despite criticism of her expenses claims, after talking to her constituents on the doorstep in Salford, and that she had been "delighted" to receive phone calls of support from members of the Cabinet. The warning followed Mr Brown's condemnation of Ms Blears's failure to pay capital gains tax on her second home as "totally unacceptable". Ms Blears has since sent a cheque to HM Revenue & Customs for £13,000.

The Prime Minister initiated the talks with Mr Blair in a phone call that resulted in the invitation to Downing Street last Thursday. It is believed the two met about three times last year, but this is the first time they have held face-to-face talks this year. They speak on the telephone about once a month.

They discussed Mr Blair's role as Middle East envoy, but the discussion inevitably strayed into domestic politics, a source said. A Downing Street spokesman added: "We never discuss meetings. We have repeatedly said they have a good relationship."

Some ministers have suggested Mr Brown should go to the country in October, after a summer of setting out constitutional reforms to clean up Parliament, although No 10 sources tried to pour cold water on the reports.

Yesterday, the IoS established that Boris Johnson, the London Mayor, claimed more than £80,000 in second-home expenses over four years when he was an MP, even though his constituency was within 50 miles of Westminster, as we reveal today.

It also emerged that John Wick, the former SAS officer who handed over MPs' expense claims to The Daily Telegraph, was involved in Tory fundraising, although a Tory source insisted it was "on the fringes". It is believed Mr Wick was involved in the Carlton Club political committee, which has raised more than £400,000 for the Tories since Mr Cameron became leader.

As the expenses scandal continued to rage, Sir Peter Viggers, the Tory MP for Gosport, said he was "ashamed and humiliated" to have claimed for a duck house and island on expenses. He described this as a "ridiculous and grave error of judgement", adding that the ducks had never liked the feature and it was no longer being used.

Ian McCartney, the former Labour chairman, announced he was standing down at the next election as MP for Makerfield – because of "health problems" – within days of his disclosure that he paid back nearly £15,000 of his own expenses claims last year. He had purchased, at the taxpayers' expense, an 18-piece dinner set, champagne flutes and a £700 dining table. And Andrew MacKay, Mr Cameron's former parliamentary aide, announced he was standing down after becoming a "distraction".

The latest announcements take to eight the number of MPs stepping down at the next general election. Quitting then not only saves their parties from bruising by-elections but also ensures each up to £64,000 in "resettlement grant" cash, paid for by the taxpayer.

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That's the trouble with the LibDems
[info]timurlenk1 wrote:
Saturday, 23 May 2009 at 11:52 pm (UTC)
So, Clegg thinks "Lib Dem MPs will outnumber Labour within a decade because the governing party has lost the "contest of ideas"", does he ?
That neatly demonstrates the problem with the LibDems. They SHOULD be racing to organise themselves to replace a mortally wounded Labour at the imminent election, instead, Clegg is doing his Mr Micawber act, whilst half of his party are still hallucinating about a LibLab pact with some juicy ministerial opportunities and "Gordon's promise" to consider PR.
Perpetual losers !
Re: That's the trouble with the LibDems
[info]badalandabad wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 08:44 pm (UTC)
Absolutely! 10 years is a long time and god knows what howlers the tories are going to come up with once they get into power.
Re: That's the trouble with the LibDems - [info]berewic - Monday, 25 May 2009 at 02:35 pm (UTC) Expand
And...
[info]ancientoneuk wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 12:05 am (UTC)
... Blair hands Brown a book entitled "Reichstag, Tomkin and other interesting ways to keep your revolting masses occupied"
Re: And...
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 07:12 am (UTC)
'you nominate me for European President and I'll scratch your back too'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnqCUvGhxUQ&NR=1
Re: And... - [info]vhawk1951 - Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 09:48 pm (UTC) Expand
Duck Island
[info]longon007 wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 12:12 am (UTC)


After all this, the ducks were not impressed anyway. Elsewhere, another MP has rabbit problems, you could not make this stuff up !
Re: Duck Island
[info]victormc wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 06:22 am (UTC)
This newspaper omits to mention that the 'duckhouse' claim was REFUSED and he paid for it himself...but it makes a good headline doesn't it ? I'm not condoning anything but don't believe all your read in the newspapers.
Re: Duck Island - [info]longon007 - Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 11:52 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Duck Island - [info]longon007 - Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 12:24 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Duck Island - [info]berewic - Monday, 25 May 2009 at 02:15 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Duck Island - [info]victormc - Monday, 25 May 2009 at 02:44 pm (UTC) Expand
Blair giving Brown lessons on shredding expenses.
[info]dave1234567890 wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 12:26 am (UTC)
Didn't Blair have all his expenses claims shredded before he left office. Maybe Brown is thinking of packing it in after all and just wanted best advice on how to cover his tracks and how to get people to give him free holidays.
Secret Talks
[info]mike4626 wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 07:02 am (UTC)
SECRECY, the downfall of Parliament. Open honesty prevents corruption. Secrecy results in dictatorships.
Blame
[info]zened wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 12:27 am (UTC)
If you voted for Blair or Labour then you deserve all the problems you have in your life now due to Brown; negative equity, no job security (or no job at all), no income from your savings, insecurity on the street in front of your house, despair, debt and worries for the future. Suffer you fools, and think carefully before ever voting Labour again.

For the rest of the country, I feel sorry for you; but if you can do it, emigrate while you still can.

The UK is a dead duck for ten to fifteen years and any children born into the country already have a massive national debt to repay before they even start school let alone graduate university.

Brown might have just done enough damage to send the UK into permanent decline.

The UK is too over populated to feed itself...run!
Re: Blame
[info]project911 wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 09:24 pm (UTC)
Yeah but apart from that.. it's great here.
Re: Blame - [info]victormc - Monday, 25 May 2009 at 02:45 pm (UTC) Expand
[info]jonpaulr wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 02:00 am (UTC)
get bloody Charles Clarke back
No thanks
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 07:41 am (UTC)
wanting Charles Clarke back is a sign of desperation.
Re: No thanks - [info]longon007 - Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 12:10 pm (UTC) Expand
Wanted - Labour Messiah - [info]red_planet92 - Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 05:38 pm (UTC) Expand
unintentional wrongdoing?
[info]redcliffe62 wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 02:01 am (UTC)
until they are sacked and lose their future perks, this is mere window dressing. kick out the worst, hold a by election in each one until the numbers get silly and a GE is the only option.
if 300 MP's have claimed in a manner which in the rest of society would be questioned, i.e. fraudulently, such a response is necessary.
total number sacked as i read it is NIL. NIL means NIL. pathetic.
unintentional wrongdoing is famous north of the border, it seems the southern cousins are catching up to that ruse and playing the dumb card well.
Dead Man Walking
[info]leonard_merryl wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 02:18 am (UTC)
Brown's calamitous incumbency has been a complete disaster for Britain - he's been as damaging for the country as a nuclear explosion or the Black Death. Unwanted and unelected, he was foisted on Britain as a dead-duck soviet-style premiere appointed by his Party because they felt he deserved his chance in the driving-seat. Charmless, sullen, dour, and unable to empthaise with the voters he fraudulently claims to represent, he has wrecked Britain to the point where the public are ready to overthrow Parliament entirely.

When he is dumped on 5th June, the entire country will cheer. His legacy will be as a despotic Pretender, who should never have been Leader, and who was booted out of power as the most calamitous failure in the history of British politics.
Invite to an evicted
[info]safwan09 wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 02:57 am (UTC)
I think Brown was right to call in the evicted, Blair, as the latter is to blame for most of Brown's headaches. Indeed, things started to rot well before June 2007. Moreover, many of "friendly fire" incidents were fuelled by sympathisers of the evicted!
Re: Invite to an evicted
[info]indpenden_mind wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 05:02 pm (UTC)
I think that Blair was largely to blame for all our headaches for putting Brown as Chancellor of the Exchequer. It was from there that all today's problems stem, from the sacking of the Private Pension Funds onwards.
Not walking Conspiring?? LET US SEND MORE BRITS TO IRAQ??
[info]famulla wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 02:58 am (UTC)
Mr Brown has called Mr Blaire to explain how to send more troops as he realised the Obama will ask him in turn. Will NASA say sorry here? Did Brown say sorry promptly?
Things go missing. It's to be expected. Even at the Pentagon. Last October, the Pentagon's inspector general reported that the military's accountants had misplaced a destroyer, several tanks and armored personnel carriers, hundreds of machine guns, rounds of ammo, grenade launchers and some surface-to-air missiles. In all, nearly $8 billion in weapons were AWOL.
At the bottom of a good deal of the bravery that appears in the world, there lurks a miserable cowardice. Men will face powder and steel because they cannot face public opinion. -Edwin Hubbel Chapin, minister and orator (1814-1880)
I thank you
Firozali A.Mulla
Oh No!
[info]thisanthat wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 03:20 am (UTC)
not him again!!!!!!
There's a popular Russian jewish tale...
[info]leonard_merryl wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 03:51 am (UTC)
A poor man in a jewish village is having a terrible time. He goes to the Rabbi to ask for advice. "I have many children in just a small house, now my wife's old mother has come to live with us... we are going crazy in that tiny house, what can I do?"

"Bring a goat into the house!" advises the Rabbi. "And come back next week to tell me how it's going?"

"Oh Rabbi, it's three times worse! The goat - well, it's insanitary! And it kicks and butts everyone and the wife's mother is complaining!"

"Take the goat out of the house again" says the Rabbi. "And drop by in a few days?"

"Oh Rabbi, without the goat, it's paradise in our house, you can't imagine! Thank you, thank you!".
Re: There's a popular Russian jewish tale...
[info]chorleypie wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 09:09 am (UTC)
Top post.
Re: There's a popular Russian jewish tale... - [info]sameth99200 - Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 12:34 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: There's a popular Russian jewish tale... - [info]fakhry - Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 09:57 pm (UTC) Expand
Are we going to be distracted by another event ? Trains, Buses, Airports ...anyone ?
[info]drug_baron wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 05:12 am (UTC)
Bring back Blair ? Why stop there ? Why not bring back the Kray Twins and their mob too !
Re: Are we going to be distracted by another event ? Trains, Buses, Airports ...anyone ?
[info]skipraider wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 12:18 pm (UTC)
But at least you could leave your front door open and nobody would nick anything then. With this shower of shite in charge it would be advisable to install deadlocks, bolts and chains, and anything else you can obtain on every door and window, You never know when your local MP might come around.

Damn, I'd better check the garden shed - I'll probably find a bunch of MPs in there helping themselves to my tins of old paint - MPs seem to need an awful lot of redecoration doing.

Oh, and they loved their mum.
Bliar and Moron what a pair
[info]rickraider wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 05:39 am (UTC)
Blair should be on trial too! He is not known as Bliar for no reason. He was the architect of Britain's spectacular boom bust whilst Brown was his eager Uriah Heep. Both of these Scottish liars must be rubbing their hands over how they have shafted the English.
Take care Warning
[info]stickytruth2 wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 05:45 am (UTC)
Has he called in Blair for the latter to return his expenses or is asking membership to the Bilderburg Club?
This is the blind leading the blind, neither of these two are world leaders, just followers, the total Nu-Labs has brought this country to it's knees.
Both House's should be closed and the country controlled by the Military, there are many good officers within the Services, that could run our isle better than these money grabbing devils.
Plus Blair hope's to be the first President of Europe, well he will be at home there regarding expenses, just check out those kicked up to the HoL's.
Blair is also the Middle East envoy, say no more another of his disasters, pack this evil doer of to Rome, they would welcome him there?
[info]tartampion wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 06:07 am (UTC)
Blair took the UK into war for the wrong reasons and based on lies. With a few exceptions (like foreign minister Robin Cook who resigned over the the Iraq invasion ) politicians did not do much to stop this. They were OK with illegally invading other countries. Now we are learning that they did not see anything wrong either with some other illegalities. And Blair is brought for consultation? Has any one got a clue?
So Brown and Bliar speak on the phone 3 times a year
[info]ffoulkes_aycke wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 06:13 am (UTC)


Tone probaly rings up laughing his cock off and taking the piss
Brown/Bliar meeting
[info]victormc wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 06:17 am (UTC)
I am reliably informed that Bliar's financial matters and receipts/claims etc. during his term of office have been 'lost.' Surely someone must be prosecuted for something. My taxman won't allow me to lose things for more or less a lifetime.....
Re: Brown/Bliar meeting
[info]longon007 wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 01:06 pm (UTC)

Arthur Daley meets "Dellboy" Trotter. At least they were funny...
Brown meets Blair
[info]celticwelshman wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 06:32 am (UTC)
The final line of the above fascinated me, they just don't get it do they? cash, cash & more cash, by hook or by crook.
I recall being made redundant in the early 90's from ABB which was the then title of todays Bombardier.. I received a low single figure in the thousands for my troubles in the form of redundancy payment....and what turned out to be, despite my high hopes, much Bull S**t by way of help in finding another job. (I was unemployed for 4 years after this, my age being the main drawback) I recall a conversation with the Union rep before my employment was terminated... if I had quit, I wouldn't even have been able to claim unemployment benefit for some time after the event..yet, a politician can quit and get up-wards of £64.ooo in resettlement help? something is very wrong with that, the more I find out, the more unbearable the stink becomes.

I shudder to imagine the conversation that went on between Blair and Brown...especially now Blair has taken refuge in the catholic religion..I don't know what you folk out there in Indy land think, but as I watch Brown perform, I get a very strange sense of the ethereal, something quite unworldly and insubstantial, as though Brown is somehow unconnected or unattached in some way, he appears to be on the ball but......can't quite put my finger on it.
Re: Brown meets Blair
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 07:17 am (UTC)
to 'put your finger on it' you have to look over his shouldetr at those who are looking at you over his shoulder

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnqCUvGhxUQ&NR=1
Re: Brown meets Blair - [info]linchung - Monday, 25 May 2009 at 02:27 pm (UTC) Expand
tony goes to no 10 but brown will not go to the country
[info]bowesy wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 06:50 am (UTC)
lets not forget how hated blair was when he left office - the wars, spin and lack of cohesive vision had thoroughly discredited him, and Brown could have been a breath of fresh air. He was not because he kept lying and spinning, and also because he was and is unbelievably incompetent.

I seem to recall that their election win was built on spin - and the "newness" of this meant the electorate to some degree believed them. Any out put from these two now can and will only be the same Blair had no substance just great spin and charm - I hope they put their heads together some more as I am sure it will give many happy moments for us.

Hint to Brown - a national plan , HMM you have been in power for 12 years and completely cocked everything up shouldn't you have had one of there 12years ago?

Bungle and Zippy politics at its best - with Jeffrey Mandelson floating about - you could not write this stuff.
What a pair!
[info]over325one wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 06:54 am (UTC)
Blair "Come and work for me Brown". Brown "Will I make lots of lovely lolly? Blair "Sure, I'll put you on expenses. Brown "I'm already on those - didn't work out"! etc.
You may get the chance to see the God like Charlton Heston in Ten Commandments.
[info]famulla wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 06:58 am (UTC)
I love Mr. Tony Blaire although he is British and not American.
The day after the talks, it emerged that Mr Brown will launch a "national plan for Britain" as part of his fightback. No need to fight back. Tony good boxer and he gets tired he calls or winks at the ref to stop the round Then he goes to the Middle East for rest. He visits the Pope. Confesses all the atrocities he committed on behalf on the dead and live British, He cries a lot until the Padre says,? your sins will be washed if you go back to no 10 Drowning Street and 12, and 13 ,1 4, 52, apologize to the tenants of the leaking cash, come back to the battle field then repent there. You may get the chance to see the God like Charlton Heston in Ten Commandments.
I thank you
Firozali A.Mulla
Above the law?
[info]bleedingekk wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 07:13 am (UTC)
Listening to the BBC this morning, I suddenly realised that the official report on child sex abuse by catholic pedophile priests was released just when the expenses scandal was getting warmed up. Is this an attempt to dampen public outrage of these unforgivable crimes? I wouldn't put it past our newly catholic covert Blair the liar to have had something to do with te strategically timed release of this report.

It seems that not only criminal politicians but catholic priest pedophiles are above the law too. This is a frightening situation, where will it all end.

Re: Above the law?
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 07:45 am (UTC)
Ah, so you've noticed the news manipulation too. There will be no more discussion about MPs and their thievery.

The issue is: control of information, manipulation of the media, opinion-forming.

That's what Blair is good at. That's why Brown has called him in.

Step 1: get the issue of MP expenses off the TV and out of the newspapers.

Blair can do that.
Re: Above the law? - [info]linchung - Monday, 25 May 2009 at 02:29 pm (UTC) Expand
Hey presto, the story's over
[info]tominlondon wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 07:39 am (UTC)
As if by magic, today's news bulletins on BBC an Sky have completely eliminated all reference to MPs' corruption.

They probably think we won't notice how they're manipulating the way they feed us information.
Re: Hey presto, the story's over
[info]longon007 wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 12:04 pm (UTC)


The best bit is that Brown was imposed on us. Not one single person voted for him as Prime Minister, he was anointed, and has no mandate to be where he is. But seriously, do you like Brown or not?
Re: Hey presto, the story's over - [info]tominlondon - Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 12:07 pm (UTC) Expand
Re: Hey presto, the story's over - [info]amicus34 - Monday, 25 May 2009 at 11:50 am (UTC) Expand
Re: Hey presto, the story's over - [info]longon007 - Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 12:07 pm (UTC) Expand
Blair & McBroun
[info]nonda4822 wrote:
Sunday, 24 May 2009 at 07:48 am (UTC)
Relax people, neither Bliar or Brown have learned anything and anyway the global economic crisis is not their fault, its the Americans who started it. Without the GEC the House of Commons expenses scandal would never have broken cover, and lets hope nobody thinks of looking at what goes on in the Lords Their recent meeting was probably to discuss Bliar's bid to become President of Europe. Fresh from his heroic achievements in the Middle East where has single handedly persuaded the Israelis and Iranians to give up their nuclear weapons, Bliar seeks fresh outlets for his talents. Those of us in the know can only applauded Bliar's plan. After all he has totally wrecked the UK so there is a fair bet he will do more damage to Europe than A Hitler and N Bonaparte combined, if elected to the top job. Furthermore, Bliar's recent conversion to Catholicsm will surely help with the Cathoilic vote within the EU. Anyway, if the EU is nuked by Bliar it will save Britain the embarrassment of leaving that deeply corrupt and undemocratic body under the gaze of the rest of the world.
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