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Bin Laden speaks as Obama considers Afghan troop surge

Video message promises to continue 'war of attrition' against US and Nato allies

By Rupert Cornwell in Washington

Osama bin Laden claims Barack Obama is continuing George Bush's policies

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Osama bin Laden claims Barack Obama is continuing George Bush's policies

In a new message to the American people, Osama bin Laden has declared that President Barack Obama is powerless to end the West's "hopeless" war in Afghanistan, and is merely continuing the failed policies of George Bush before him.

In the 11-minute audiotape, issued on radical Islamic websites yesterday – as the White House weighs a controversial increase in US troop strength in Afghanistan – the al-Qa'ida leader warns that Washington and its Nato allies face growing guerrilla resistance. "If you end the war, so be it," says the voice on the tape, posted over a still photograph of Bin Laden. But if not, "all we will do is continue the war of attrition against you in all possible directions."

A Bin Laden address in the days around each 9/11 anniversary has become an annual event. But this particular message (assuming it is genuine – and no expert has suggested it is not) comes at a particularly sensitive time for both the speaker and his audience.

By all accounts, al-Qa'ida has taken heavy blows of late in its strongholds in Pakistan. In Afghanistan, however, Washington and its allies are having more trouble than ever in countering an insurgency that has seen a revitalised Taliban gain control of swaths of the countryside and pose a new threat to Kandahar, Afghanistan's second largest city.

At the same time, the war is losing both public and political support in the US, amid mounting American casualties, reports of Nato airstrikes that appear to have killed dozens of innocent civilians, and evidence that the country's recent presidential election was riddled with corruption.

The administration is currently consulting with General Stanley McChrystal, the commander of allied forces in Afghanistan, whether and how far to boost US troop strength beyond the 68,000 ceiling already approved for deployment by the end of the year. But any increase could be highly problematic. According to Robert Gibbs, the White House spokesman, a decision is unlikely for "weeks and weeks", and will probably not be taken until the effects of the latest surge can be measured. In the meantime, Obama officials will brief Congressional leaders on the discussions with General McChrystal.

Already, however, the President is facing serious rumblings of dissent in his own ranks. First Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, publicly warned that neither Capitol Hill nor ordinary voters are in the mood for sending more troops to a war that has already taken almost 900 American lives – and 51 in August alone.

Then Senator Carl Levin, the chairman of the powerful Senate Armed Services Committee, declared that no more US troops should be sent until there had been "a surge in the number of Afghan security forces". Mr Obama thus could soon find himself in a similar position to Mr Bush who, in defiance of public opinion, carried out his Iraq surge in 2007. If anything, however, a boost in US forces now would be even trickier in political terms.

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bin ladin or bull ladin?
[info]truth12345678 wrote:
Monday, 14 September 2009 at 11:59 pm (UTC)
this man died a long time ago, he worked for the CIA and continued to do so as 'leader of the al'qiada'. If he is still alive why not have a video like every over time before? He is just a front to cover up the real criminals running our own countiries. I challange everyone to do their own research and come to their own conclusion rather than beliviing what you are force fed through lies and propaganda(who owns the media??), I assure you your conclusion will be alot more shocking than anyone can tell you. I leave it in your hands,

Regards
Re: bin ladin or bull ladin?
[info]gabrieljonas wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 06:13 am (UTC)
"Who owns the media?". I would like to know. Who owns The Independent and the Guardian, for example? I live in Latin America and in my country the biggest newspapers belong to Catholic rich families. So what?
Re: bin ladin or bull ladin?
[info]mazg8 wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 06:30 am (UTC)
I quite agree with your point of view. Osama Bin Laden has dies long time ago. This is all stage drama of CIA........nothing else.
Re: bin ladin or bull ladin?
[info]mazg8 wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 06:36 am (UTC)
I quite agree with you; Osama Bin Ladin has died a long time ago......this is an ugly drama time to time staged by CIA.


Why did things sour between the CIA and Tim Osman anyway?
[info]fin_d_empire wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 12:17 am (UTC)
Tim Osman (Osama's CIA codename) and the CIA used to get along like a house on fire.


Here's Osama showing Carter's national security adviser, the warmongering and Russia-hating Polish aristocrat Zbigniew Brzezinski, a sample of the CIA's guns for Al Qaeda.

Al Qaeda was simply the database of the jihadis recruited by Osama to kick the Commie infidels out of Afghanistan:
Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians. Inexplicably, and with disastrous consequences, it never appears to have occurred to Washington that once Russia was out of the way, Bin Laden's organisation would turn its attention to the west.

- Robin Cook, The Guardian, July 8, 2005


So whatever broke up the Yank love affair with Islamic Jihadism? Maybe the same thing that broke up the love-fest between Rummy and Saddam. Remember this?



The Yanks called Saddam "our boy" as long as they needed him to clobber Iran. As soon as he was finished with beating up Khomeini, they tricked him into attacking Kuwait, framed him for stuff he never did, like the Kuwait incubator babies, the gassing of Halabja (Iran did that), or sending tanks to the Saudi border (fake satellite images shown to the Saudis by the great deceiver Dick Cheney), and then declared war on him.

Osama and his Al Qaeda jihadis were for the Yanks what Reagan called "the moral equivalent of the founding fathers." The Bush dynasty was tightest buddies with the Bin Ladens. The CIA was still paying courtesy visits to Osama up to a few months before 9-11 despite the fact that they pinned the Africa bombings on him. So what happened?

Quite simply, the Soviets folded and the Yanks wanted to move in and take over the Soviet sphere of influence before the Russians got back on their feet. Osama and Mullah Omar refused to invite them over to Afghanistan, where they wanted to build a strategic pipeline. So they invited themselves in and declared war on Islam so they could invite themselves into a shitload of other oil-rich places.

U.S. Policy Towards Taliban Influenced by Oil - Say Authors



PARIS, Nov 15 (IPS) - Under the influence of U.S. oil companies, the government of George W. Bush initially blocked U.S. secret service investigations on terrorism, while it bargained with the Taliban the delivery of Osama bin Laden in exchange for political recognition and economic aid, two French intelligence analysts claim.

They affirm that until August, the U.S. government saw the Taliban regime ''as a source of stability in Central Asia that would enable the construction of an oil pipeline across Central Asia'', from the rich oilfields in Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, and Kazakhstan, through Afghanistan and Pakistan, to the Indian Ocean.

Until now, says the book, ''the oil and gas reserves of Central Asia have been controlled by Russia. The Bush government wanted to change all that''.

''At one moment during the negotiations, the U.S. representatives told the Taliban, 'either you accept our offer of a carpet of gold, or we bury you under a carpet of bombs','' Brisard said in an interview in Paris.

According to the book, the government of Bush began to negotiate with the Taliban immediately after coming into power in February. U.S. and Taliban diplomatic representatives met several times in Washington, Berlin and Islamabad.

The last meeting between U.S. and Taliban representatives took place in August, five weeks before the attacks on New York and Washington, the analysts maintain.
Re: Why did things sour between the CIA and Tim Osman anyway?
[info]rain1950 wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 09:04 am (UTC)
Just to add a bit to your thoughts THE LIE OF THE CENTURY http://tinyurl.com/nnqhl9
If there is one thing the US can do it's lie.

U.S. INTERESTS IN THE CENTRAL ASIAN
REPUBLICS HEARING BEFORE THE
SUBCOMMITTEE ON ASIA AND THE PACIFIC
OF THE COMMITTEE ON INTERNATIONAL
RELATIONS HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES From a few years back.
http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/intlrel/hfa48119.000/hfa48119_0.HTM
Hell they were talking about it back in 98. Mr. Maresca from Unocal same company oddly enough the So called leader of Afghanistan worked for. You know that guy that maybe really didn't win the election. OH yes they were plotting and planing this pipeline crap for some time.

This is a bit off topic but I think some may want to read it.
Victims’ families tell their stories following Nato airstrike in Afghanistan http://tinyurl.com/r4xh5q
Re: Why did things sour between the CIA and Tim Osman anyway?
[info]rain1950 wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 09:44 am (UTC)
U.S. Policy Towards Taliban Influenced by Oil - Say Authors
http://www.hermes-press.com/Taliban_Oil.htm
The other link expired
Another fallen CIA puppet
[info]5presteps wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 02:47 am (UTC)
Low grade film scenario but good example for journalism students on disinformation. They still are feeding the chooks with Osama and 9/11 crap.
Wheel out the bogeyman
[info]floppsiefrog wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 04:44 am (UTC)
To reinvigorate waning support for the US occupation of Central Asia, with Europe playing patsy. This is a large expensive project designed to achieve domination over the entire globe. Good luck on persuading the Chinese to foot the bill.
Re: Wheel out the bogeyman
[info]rain1950 wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 09:29 am (UTC)

China has begun its move away from US Dollar assets and it is moving fast. http://tinyurl.com/rdsdka

Seems they don't trust in the US dollar anymore. OR could be they are tired of supporting the US.
Petrol-Dollar cycle
[info]corporeal_v002 wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 09:44 am (UTC)

The Chinese move from dollars is good. A good counter balance.

But the US has a grip on the worlds oil trading. OPEC was formed with help from the USA, they have to use dollars. This created the Petrol-Dollar cycle. The USA gets profit from each barrel sold by OPEC to any country in the world as the only currency supported is the US dollar.

Saddam implemented the Euro exchange rate for Iraqi oil just before Iraq was invaded. Shortly after invasion, the Petrol-Dollar cycle was quicky restored.
Re: Petrol-Dollar cycle
[info]rain1950 wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 10:07 am (UTC)
The U.S owed China about 2 & 1/2 trillion American dollars in 2009 they probably owe them even more now.
http://investment-blog.net/us-owes-china-about-2-12-trillion-american-dollars/
Bin Laden???
[info]jamiesmithy wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 07:44 am (UTC)
Does everyone really think that with all of the power and satellites, that Bin Laden can't be found or finished?

Do some research - the powers that be keep putting him on front of the papers every now and then to keep people convinced that an invasion of someone elses' country is justified and to fuel a war on non-existent "terror".

DO some research. Try googling the channel four documentary "al qaida doesn't exist" and you might be along the right lines.
Video message with a static picture
[info]corporeal_v002 wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 09:31 am (UTC)

Does not compute...
Re: Video message with a static picture
[info]ebenezerpratt wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 11:15 am (UTC)

A bit like the still of the four Muslim patsies for the London bombing at Luton station
Re: Video message with a static picture
[info]rain1950 wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 05:54 pm (UTC)
You know speaking of that picture. A few of us looked at it and seems one of the bars or rails goes through the guys left arm, the one with the white hat on. Whoever photo shopped it did a crappy job.
So what they did was insert the people into the picture.
The picture was from: Camera 14 Time 07:21:54 Date: 07/07/05
The bar should not have gone through his arm. The rest of the photo is just pathetic. Even the feet don't look right. But at any rate it is a fake in my opinion.
Re: Video message with a static picture
[info]rain1950 wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 05:59 pm (UTC)
upon second look the bar at the Guy with the white hat on, at his left is also missing. The middle bar is missing from the fence or whatever one calls it. Those are two very distinct errors. Of course one has to enlarge the photo to notice.
Re: Video message with a static picture
[info]rain1950 wrote:
Tuesday, 15 September 2009 at 09:09 pm (UTC)
I put the pictures in my Live journal if you want to see what I mean. IF the cops didn't see this, they must have been blind.
[info]lewis_northants wrote:
Wednesday, 16 September 2009 at 05:48 am (UTC)
President Obama faces the same decision that LBJ faced in 1968 Vietnam, after the Tet
offensive. Either reinforce or develop a withdraw strategy. LBJ had a unlimited pool
of troops and the money to escalate the war, He decided not to provide more troops. Obama has neither. Obama's decision on this issue can make or break his Presidency. Hopefully he won't meet
the same fate as LBJ.

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