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Brown flies to meet President Obama for economy crisis talks

Mini-summit announced as George Soros says ‘the world financial system has disintegrated’

By David Randall and Jane Merrick

Barack Obama meeting Gordon Brown during a visit to Britain he took as the presumptive Democratic candidate for the presidency

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Barack Obama meeting Gordon Brown during a visit to Britain he took last June as the presumptive Democratic candidate for the presidency

Gordon Brown will fly to Washington next week for his first meeting with Barack Obama since he became President. He will discuss an economic crisis whose seriousness was underlined yesterday when the renowned economic guru George Soros said in a speech that the world financial system has “effectively disintegrated”, with turbulence more severe than during the Great Depression.

Mr Brown’s visit, on 3 March, will prepare the ground for April’s G20 meeting in London, which is intended to draw up concrete measures for international economic recovery. Mr Soros, whose words and actions have moved entire markets in the past, told attendees at a conference dinner at Columbia University: “We witnessed the collapse of the financial system. It was placed on life support, and it’s still on life support.”

His words are stronger than his previous statements: at Davos a month ago, he said the financial system was merely “dysfunctional”. He now compares the current situation to the demise of the Soviet Union and added: “There’s no sign that we are anywhere near a bottom.” Another speaker, Paul Volcker, former chairman of the Fed and now adviser to President Obama, said that, while he felt capitalism would survive, “I’m not so sure about financial capitalism”.

The announcement by Washington of the visit brings to an end speculation over whether Mr Brown would be beaten by the French President, Nicolas Sarkozy, or the German Chancellor, Angela Merkel, for an audience with the world’s most popular politician. Mr Brown will meet Chancellor Merkel in Berlin today as he continues with preparations for April’s G20 summit in London.

Momentum is now building for more than hand-wringing and fine words to come out of the London summit. President Sarkozy said yesterday: “I will not associate myself with a position that does not give an ambitious response to this deep crisis.” Italy’s Prime Minister, Silvio Berlusconi, has already called for the summit to make “strong and concrete” proposals to fight the financial crisis.

Guiding Mr Brown and, he hopes, the other leaders at the gathering will be the 74-page document he unveiled last week called The Road to the London Summit: The Plan for Recovery. It calls for eight “concrete commitments” to be agreed at the meeting. They include a review of measures so far taken to stimulate demand; an increase in the IMF’s resources to make more loans; immediate action to ensure banks are adequately capitalised; an international renunciation of protectionism; reform of financial regulation; and reform of international financial institutions.

In his New York speech, Mr Volcker delivered judgements unimaginable a few months ago. He began by saying the financial system we have known would never return. “Too many weaknesses and flaws have been exposed,” he said. He added that banks had gone from a system based on relationships with customers to “a very impersonal kind of market where everything was a deal”, often at arm’s length, with loans packaged, repackaged, and resold, often several times a day.

Mr Volcker insisted that banks should be barred from sponsoring hedge and equity funds, and engaging in any high-risk activity, and incentive schemes should be completely overhauled. He said he found no evidence that the huge sums made by bankers “penetrated down to the rdinary person”.

A more distributive US economy has had to await the advent of Barack Obama, and yesterday the President said Americans will start to reap the benefits of a $787bn stimulus package in a matter of weeks. “Never before in our history has a tax cut taken effect faster or gone to so many hardworking Americans,” he said. He added that in six weeks a typical family will start taking home at least $65 (£45) more every month, part of plans that will, he insists, benefit 95 per cent of working families.

And yesterday word began to leak out of the budget that President Obama is finalising. He wants to cut the federal deficit in half by the end of his first term, mostly by scaling back Iraq war spending, raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans and streamlining government. Obama's proposal for the 2010 fiscal year that begins on 1 October projects that the $1.3 trillion deficit he inherited will be halved to $533 bn by 2013. He has pledged to wind down the Iraq war by withdrawing most combat troops within 16 months of taking office. He also has said he would letting the Bush tax cuts expire for people making more than $250,000 a year, effectively raising taxes on those people.

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believe Soros
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 06:25 am (UTC)
Not the filthy pols
Soros & Democracy
[info]europat7 wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 06:57 am (UTC)
I remember not so long ago some prominent right-wing pundits in America were fond of taking pot-shots at George Soros style of philanthropy, if you can imagine anything so petty.

Now it appears that he REALLY IS A PHILANTHROPIST, and cares about decency, solvency, and trust.

Imagine anything as radical as that.
Money Supply
[info]malvin17 wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 07:26 am (UTC)
Watch the money supply figures for clues as to which countries will survive and later prosper. There is a very real danger that the world's central banks will go from fighting deflation to fighting inflation and then back again because the printing of money (so called Quantative Easing) is a very in-precise tool to solve the current down turn . Volatility in money supply growth is likely be very high, as a crucial component of the measure is velocity or turnover of money. This could go from a very low base to a very high level in short order if the population believes that inflation is returning. The central banks would then, with all likelihood, to lose control of money supply growth in a situation where the whole system is in a panicked state. The counter actions of central banks that have lost control of their monetary base will be commensurately and necessarily volatile provoking much suffering.
Possibly the best bet is the ECB, where some level of old fashioned caution seems to prevail.
What a laugh!!!!
[info]someofusknow wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 07:37 am (UTC)
'the $1.3 trillion deficit he inherited will be halved to $533 bn by 2013.'

What a laugh!!!!

Firstly the US has of the order of $60 trillion in unsupported and unsupportable debt, and it has no economy of any significance with which to repay anything. That before anyone even mentions the appalling demographics which place an ever increasing burden on a diminishing young population base.

As for 'The Plan for Recovery.' Well we know it's their job to keep up the pretence, but really anyone witha brain knows there can be no recovery, since we are coming to end of the age of industrialism and everything that goes with it. Peak Oil, Peak Water, Peak Phospgorus,.......Peak Everything. (Hopefully Peak Lies too.)
Brown flies
[info]johnsmith007 wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 08:40 am (UTC)
A case of the blind leading the blind ?
What if we lived in a self aware machine, what would it do to force us to use its ideas?
[info]proximaking wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 12:48 pm (UTC)
At a certain point in pattern the machine becomes self aware and capitalism is one of the first things it gets rid of.

http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2008/01/06/crackpot-or-genius-has-a-shell-boffin-stumbled-on-a-scientific-breakthrough/

What will be the next? In a conceptual world anything is possible, even people ceasing to stick their heads in the sand.
Paul Volcker quit Obama's team now! Rich guys sell your yatchs
[info]artsariz wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 02:04 pm (UTC)
For him to consider that capitalism and financial capitalism are two different things, clearly shows a desperation brought on by the lack of any tangible and viable solution to the world mess caused by an unrestrained financial and moral capitalism that has manifested its own image, which even the use of the fifth ammendment by "Capitalism" could not hide.

Trying to salvage a portion of it by rebranding and repackaging will only unleash the same corrupt monster at a later time. Let it die now!

Focu is need on real monetary growth were trade in currency is the same as the value of trade, not several multiples of real trade value as has been happening.
Take No Notice of Soros
[info]lord_justin wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 02:45 pm (UTC)
Mr Soros is not an independent expert. He is in business to start scare stories, cause a collapse in the economy, and benefit from the resultant chaos. He is good headline material, but nobody should base their long term financial planning on his views.

Brown, on the other hand, is ... er ... in business to start scare stories (to justify new laws), cause a collapse in the economy (no ulterior motive, just short termism and incompetence), and benefit from the resultant chaos (by portraying himself as a safe pair of hands). He too is good headline material, but nobody should base their long term financial planning on his views either.

Talk about the lunatics running the asylum.

The ONLY solution is to boost confidence in our economy. And the ONLY way to do that is a change of government - witness the strengthening of the US Dollar after Obama's election.
gordon start listening!
[info]johnra wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 03:56 pm (UTC)
Barak appears to be making some drastic changes to the complete mess that has been handed to him...
when gordon pays a visit he should take a notebook with him and jot down some of thosetax and non war ideas that have been mentioned in the above article...

sorry to mention it but,
you missed an o from ordinary!
Where has all the money gone?
[info]omirou wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 04:02 pm (UTC)
The World Wealth report, 2008, made it clear that 80% of the world's wealth is owned and controlled by 10.1 million people, out of a population of 6.8 billion. The World Food Programme reported in Jan 2009 that 1 billion people are starving. The UN tells us that 5.4 billion are trying to live on $10 a day.
This group of multi millionaires have been involved, directly and indirectly, in the free market capitalism that has led to the current crises. They are now involved in manipulating governments to bail them out and to minimise their losses.
If the rest of us are facing a liquidity problem,that is, a shortage of cash, then we should be demanding that our governments look for help from the Group of 10 millionaires, by means of taxation, and confiscation.
The future must involve the redistribution of wealth.
If you are one of the starving, or one of those trying not to die on $10 a day, the situation today is no different to yesterday!
Free market capitalism is immoral, unjustifiable, and unsustainable.[see www.kelvynrichards.com]
Bankers and the economy
[info]calibancan wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 06:14 pm (UTC)
What's the difference between a banker and a w--ker?

A w--ker produces something useful.
Come on down Gordy Brown
[info]zanulabour wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 06:29 pm (UTC)
So I went to see a guy called Obama
People say he has a white mama
At the time I was feeling quite down
That's because I am Gordon Brown

Maybe he could help me with my lack of morals
I was hoping he could save me from my quarrels
But I guess the hope was all in vain
As I will just do the same thing again

You see I like to hang out with the rich
Who would have guessed from my opening pitch
I was going to eradicate child poverty for good
And stop all the pensioners living on cat food

Instead I've taxed us all to the hilt
Sold all the gold reserves we had built
Gave all our money to the city bankers
And soon I'll be working for those F%&king wankers





i see
[info]cronyblatcher wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 06:51 pm (UTC)
that there is no need to inject sobriety into this zone of hilarity
Front Men
[info]scousekraut wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 07:39 pm (UTC)
Soros and Volker are front men for the International Benkers.
Gordon Brown
[info]regw wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 08:39 pm (UTC)
Can you please keep Brown, he is treated a joke figure in the UK.
His headless chicken polices are destroying us,don't let him kid you.
The man is considered my many to be bordering on insanity.

REG
UK
Obama, Good or bad...we'll see....
[info]doej2001 wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 09:42 pm (UTC)
IF Obama raises taxes on those making 250k+/year and provides tax cuts to those making far less; my hats off to him
IF Obama brings all the troops from around the world home fast and keeps his/our noses out of wars; my hats off to him
IF Obama doesn't kowtow to corporations, banks, lobbys, foreign powers and special interest groups, my hats off to him

Obama has nominated some VERY scary people to his side...I doubt that anything about Obama is genuine, benevolent and beneficial to our families, our country, our constitution or our lives...but I will always bide my time and give a person the benefit of the doubt...in hopes that they will do what is right.

Obama, turn away from the immorality, deceit, treachery and traitorous lunatics that surround you and that are demanding that you appease them and their shameful ways; do what is truly right, and your reward will be far more than the power of a presidency.
Go Brown go
[info]avoch wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 10:26 pm (UTC)
We should give Brown a lot of encouragement to go to America - Aye and don't come back. Where are Brown's green credentials, he could easily have spoken to Obama by phone but he wouldn't have a photo for his memoirs. This country deserves better than having this arrogant self-centred unelected Fifer as our leader.
I don't understand..
[info]razygentry wrote:
Sunday, 22 February 2009 at 11:45 pm (UTC)

a) lending more cash than the equity its borrowed against is worth,
b) lending more money than people can realistically repay...

THESE ARE OBVIOUSLY BAD IDEAS... BUT... why has taken a global economic meltdown for these people to realise this?
WE WANT A DEMOCRATIC FINANCIAL SYSTEM NOT AN ELITIST ONE!
[info]astramgram wrote:
Tuesday, 24 February 2009 at 12:08 am (UTC)
The new financial structure was one month ago at Davos. What we have here is the elite bankers and politicians who created the crisis and who will come to the rescue with a New Financial Order. Gordon has not stop, since he took office, of calling for a NWO.

This New Financial Order won't solve anything, because the solution will be brought by the same elite that created it. Oversight is needed, for sure. But what confidence can we have that the people who will do the job of watching the bankers won't be people that worked for the banking system in a decade from now?

The population have nothing to say about it, and the bailout and bonuses was a gift paid by the taxpayers to the financial exploiters. When will the population receive much needed economic help to pay back their loan and mortgages?

Right now the stimulus package only attack the symptoms or the consequences, what we need is to attack the root that caused this financial calamity. I agree that the bank must stop investing in high risk investment and I agree that investment need oversight and a new set of laws.

What would like to see is something about the offshore banking system which operate with almost no oversight. A set of law which forbid the companies of evading tax payments and a mechanism which could seize offshore accounts.

My last comment will be about George Soros, George Soros portfolios was heavily into hedge funds and he was really happy to exploit the system, I am very surprised of hearing him clamoring for a new system when I was rotten to the core inside the old system.
DISINTEGRATION KONVURGENCE THEORY
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