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[info]inkstain1 wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 08:51 am (UTC)
Weird, but maybe it's a cultural thing... no wonder our skiing visitors coming to Switzerland from the UK marvel at our family board game selection! Your choices seem to ignore the best board games around, particularly those by Tilsit. Our family is fanatical about the two-player Obtective Catane and its cousin variations for more players of Colonies of Catane, as well as Civilization, the Japanese game awarding honour points, Samurai and Katana, Carolus Magnus, Battleship, Outrage of the Tower of London, Lord of the Rings, La Citta, Joan of Arc, and dozens of others...
We're wondering if your choices are limites by UK importers...I found the choice at Hamley's very pathetic a few years ago. In Switzerland we have many specialty shops which vie to get the most wonderfully crafted board games with historical contexts, creative rules and often beautifully crafted pieces and card design. OK, we can be disappointed, when Africa turns out to be just a simplified version of Diplomacy and Richard the Lion-hearted less strategically interesting than Joan of Arc, but why have you favoured so many fact or word-guessing games?
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[info]starlingnl wrote:
Monday, 9 November 2009 at 10:32 am (UTC)
Amen to that!

My favourite is one I found in Germany. It's called Geistertreppe (spooky stairs). The concept is simple: you each have a pawn, and you have to get up the stairs. Problem is, if you throw a ghost, your pawn gets covered by a ghost and you can no longer see it. Once everybody is a ghost, throwing a ghost means you can swap with someone. So after a while nobody can remember where their pawn is, unless they've been paying close attention!

Cue lots of: "YAY, I got there first! Oh darn, I was playing with your pawn all along ..."
Predictably uninspired
[info]rdewsbery wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 09:19 am (UTC)
We do have some great games available in the UK, but customers need to travel some way off the beaten path. It's only in small, independent, specialist games shops where the fayre offered starts to approach the breadth and depth of the quality board games market in mainland Europe (esp. that of Germany).

I had high hopes for this list after Tim Walker's excellent article on Tuesday which covered the board games show, Spiele, held in Essen a few weeks ago. I know that if I were writing a top 50 list, it would be dominated by games that have been published in German over the last 10 or 15 years. But instead of giving the task to Mr. Walker, it has gone to someone who seems to shop only in the UK high street, where she will see only mass market games. Mass market games, largely from US-based mass market publishers, that simply cannot compete with games that have been designed for a modern, discerning audience. Unfortunately that is a by-product of the fact that here in the UK, games are bought to be given away as presents, rather than actually played by anybody.
50 Best Board Games
[info]ahiksking wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 12:10 pm (UTC)
An appalling piece of journalism! This is no more than a list of games that the author has managed to track down in some local high street shops and is certainly not worthy of a national broadsheet.
The majority of these games are based around simple commercialism, i.e. give a game a big box, a glossy cover and a recognisable name and it will sell. That does not make it a " Best Board Game ". If anything it is an insult to anybody buying that game who is expecting something other than a roll a die and move variant.
If your journalist had done any proper research she would have looked at Boardgamegeek.com which has over 350,000 members and lists, in some detail, virtually all the board games ever designed and published. Written by enthusiasts for enthusiasts, your author would have been able to discover what exactly defines a great board game. A list based on proper research would have done all your readership a huge favour and, hopefully, avoided the inevitable disappointment that Christmas gifts such as these would have brought.
[info]dogsolitude_v2 wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 04:08 pm (UTC)
"No Stress Chess

A great way for the beginners among us to get into the game with cards that tell you who goes where. "

I actually had to check that this wasn't a joke: are people so damned stupid these days that they can't remember how six different pieces move?

I thought packets of grated cheese were the zenith of lamness, this is in a class of its own.

Seriously, if we're at a stage where dumbing down has become so normalised that the basic moves in chess are considered too 'hard' for people, we're in a very, very sorry state indeed,

Oh, I note the almost complete lack of any kind of covereage of the Kasparov v Karpov matches a little while back too. For shame...
Brilliant!
[info]freshlila wrote:
Saturday, 7 November 2009 at 05:39 pm (UTC)
Finally a game worth mentioning! I bought this game two years ago and I love it. We have had hours of enjoyment and long nights at war. I cannot recommend this game enough.
Re: Brilliant!
[info]brian444 wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 10:36 am (UTC)
Freshilla, are you talking about the 'War on Terror' game?. I was bought it for Christmas last year and it is so funny (and at the same time it's started some really good discussions with our children) my son won't stop running around in the evil balaclava. highly recommended.
Quoridor
[info]altennyson wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 07:26 am (UTC)
A superb, 2 or 4 player strategy game. Beautiful, quality components make it a great coffee table piece. Highly recommended for the 'intelligent' games player.
Overall, I thought the list was resonable and was delighted to see Hexago Continuo and Where is Moldova in the list. I would have preferred a wider selection of lesser known games.
[info]major_clanger wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 10:46 am (UTC)
With a few notable exceptions (War on Terror and Carcassone) this misses most of the interesting games available in favour of tired old tat. It's as if someone wrote an article on Best Meals Out and confined themselves to visiting MacDonalds and Burger King. Where are modern classics like Settlers of Catan, Puerto Rico, Ticket to Ride and so on?
[info]bquimby wrote:
Sunday, 8 November 2009 at 01:06 pm (UTC)
A list remarkable only for its poor research, as others have noted. The journalist concerned clearly hasn't played the majority of games listed (the description of Carcasonne, for example, bears virtually no relation to the theme or mechanics of the game whatsoever), so what's the point of the exercise? She's not working from a position of knowledge, so at best the list is random, at worst a misrepresentation. It also compares apples with oranges in terms of game types (childrens games lumped in with party games, lumped in with adult strategy games, etc.), but a numbered list strongly implies a heirachy of "better-ness". If that wasn't intended, surely a non-numbered list would have been better, and a categorised one...unless, of course it genuinely *is* the Independent's position that Ludo is "better" than, say, Scrabble, or Ticket to Ride?
[info]grantaz wrote:
Monday, 9 November 2009 at 06:52 am (UTC)
Wow, pathetically bad article. This "journalist", and I use the term lightly, didn't do her research here at all and basically knows very little about the subject of board games and made very little effort to learn anything about it. There are numerous online sites where information is plentiful about the hobby. http://www.boardgamegeek.com/ is one of the best for comprehensive ratings and discussion.

I hope no one takes this list seriously and makes a purchase based on this laughable list. Kate Watson-Smyth ... don't quit your day job.
[info]zark007 wrote:
Monday, 9 November 2009 at 01:13 pm (UTC)
Couldn't agree with the other comment more. Top 50? Game of Life is ranked 2551 in a list complied by people who have actually played the games see www.boardgamegeek.com
The highest any of the games in this unplayed top 50 can make is 65 in the list by people who actually play games!

Hardly even a winner of Spile des Jahres (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiel_des_Jahres) either. It is so depressing when jouralist just trot out the same old stuff without bothering to do any minimal research.
Low expectations achieved in spades
[info]benthamfish wrote:
Monday, 9 November 2009 at 09:03 pm (UTC)
Any hopes raised by The Independent's moderately enlightened article about board games at the Spiel '09 fair in Essen recently are demolished by this '50 Best Board Games' list. The article scarcely deserves to be called journalism, as its writer seems to have failed to commit the crime of any research, including reading Tim Walker's article or looking at the Board Game Geek website, any board gamers first source of information. A quick glance at the latter (cited in the article) would have revealed a rather more exciting and innovative world than that portrayed here.

It is a huge disappointment that the opportunity to stimulate more interest in high quality family, strategy and hobby games has been squandered. At least 90% of the games on this list are 'commodity' games relying on marketing budgets, Christmas gift sales and the merciful release that no-one will actually play them (at least not more than once).

Honourable exceptions include Carcassone, Ticket to Ride (but the card game, not the board game?), and Ingenious, the last one written up as suitable for younger children, demonstrating an astonishing lack of knowledge. I would also except the sole piece of kookiness, War on Terror. No mention of recent Spiel des Jahres and Kinderspiel des Jahres winners, which have sold hundreds of thousands if not millions of units across Europe, including the UK, and in the United States, and which are generally available in many languages, including English.

See http://www.boardgamegeek.com/ for the path to enlightenment, or at least to some far better games than the vast majority on this list.
Love board games
[info]garryj68 wrote:
Tuesday, 10 November 2009 at 05:20 am (UTC)
I really do love board games but I'm far too competitive and there are some great classics. They are great for getting the family together and great to play with the kids. I hope we get some under the christmas trees this year.

I found this site www.toysdirect.com very good for toys and board games.
Re: Love board games
[info]dogsolitude_v2 wrote:
Tuesday, 10 November 2009 at 11:25 am (UTC)
Have you been doing one of these 'make money in your spare time by spamming discussion forum' jobs?

Nobody round here is going to be fooled by a spurious link to a shop selling xmas decorations.

Marketing Fail.
This list is full of WIN
[info]terrorzoid wrote:
Tuesday, 10 November 2009 at 09:38 pm (UTC)
I'm one of the creators of 'War on Terror' and so can find nothing wrong with this list at all.*

However, if I weren't intimately involved with the design and production of this game, I would definitely understand some of the frustrations here. It does seem like an opportunity missed to get the good word out there about the many games that never get the mainstream attention they deserve.

* Our game is better than snakes and ladders. That's the only real mistake.
shame, could have been great
[info]gen42 wrote:
Wednesday, 11 November 2009 at 10:19 pm (UTC)
A very disappointing list of games, considering the great article about the Essen games fair. Missed an opportunity to open the doors to a vast array of fantastic games.
Shame
[info]mrwarfrog wrote:
Thursday, 12 November 2009 at 02:01 pm (UTC)
After meeting Tim at Essen, and knowing Maureen for many years, you certainly have to be congratulated for being the first emglish language newspaper I have seen to publish an original article about the Essen Games Fair.

However, all the good that was done with that article has been cast into doubt with the publishing of your top 50 boardgames. The journalist involved obviously failed to read the article by Tim, failed to carry out anything more than the minimum amount of research, and to be honest failed to live upto the standaards expected of a quality newspaper such as The Independent.

If you wish to support a flowering hobby such as boardgames, then you obviously need Tim rather than the person who write this.
Balderdash
[info]bbk11 wrote:
Saturday, 14 November 2009 at 01:22 pm (UTC)
Balderdash. I'm talking about the board game. At regular intervals, players simply cannot speak as they're laughing so much. Fantastic.
go
[info]carelj wrote:
Monday, 16 November 2009 at 08:38 am (UTC)
The list misses out the world's top board game - and those who've posted don't seem to have mentioned it either.
Go professiona's earn on a par with top tennis players in the West. There have been professions since much longer than chess. It's reckoned that in Korea alone there are 5 million players, but there are probably more in both Japan and China. Find the British Go Association's website for more information. Onegaishimasu.
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[info]ath_playfair wrote:
Monday, 16 November 2009 at 09:00 pm (UTC)
I found this list to be a bit of a disappointment - it seemed less of a list of the 'best' board games and more a list of products that people could buy as last-minute stocking-stuffers when they had run out of time to make a proper effort at holiday shopping.

I am a big fan of games and, like many who have made comments, it's disappointing not to see my favourites on the list. The biggest omission in my mind, however, is go (igo, baduk, wei qi, etc.) - a game with such a history and such popularity seems like it should be on any list of 'best games'. I suppose it has yet to enjoy the same popularity in the West as it does in the East, but surely it's a game that is on the radar of anyone with even a passing interest in games!

I suppose I would feel less annoyed by this article if it were entitled '50 games for your Christmas list that you can find in every other shop', but I suppose a title of that length becomes a bit cumbersome.